S PSE vs. Non-PSE
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Like a lot of mods, I don't think it adds much of any value to the car though. It's why the dealers rarely spec a PSE car for their floor; they can't convince the typical walk in buyer that this option is worth the money. I've had multiple dealers tell me that, though they indicated that, of the buyers that actually order their own build, it is a popular option.
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I agree with all your points except better resale. On that point it's possible but not a certainty. I would never own a Porsche without PSE, but there are many others who feel it's a waste of money since there's no performance improvement and they are more than satisfied with the stock exhaust sound.
Yes, a car with PSE may only command a couple hundred extra dollars, but, IMO, a car with an aftermarket exhaust will command zero dollars, or even worse, and be worth less. Again, IMO.
Taking into consideration just how expensive some aftermarket exhaust systems cost, the resale value proposition is awful. That's why many times, it's best to return to stock, and sell parts separately.
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I agree with Lexvan here and I have seen it in my hunt for cars. I believe an aftermarket exhaust on the 991 reduces the selling price on the car, at least on cars sold through a P-Car Dealership.
I wanted to expand this questions a bit further. I have a 991 Base and want to add PSE. The up charge from Suncoast is only about $300 more comparing buying the PSE for an S equipped car vs. a base car. It's hard for me to believe that $300 buys you side mufflers, vacuum lines and console switch. I understand from this thread and others that upgrading from a Base 991 to PSE includes replacing the side mufflers, I just have a hard time believing that it only costs $300 more to do this. Any clarification would be appreciated.
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I agree with Lexvan here and I have seen it in my hunt for cars. I believe an aftermarket exhaust on the 991 reduces the selling price on the car, at least on cars sold through a P-Car Dealership.
I wanted to expand this questions a bit further. I have a 991 Base and want to add PSE. The up charge from Suncoast is only about $300 more comparing buying the PSE for an S equipped car vs. a base car. It's hard for me to believe that $300 buys you side mufflers, vacuum lines and console switch. I understand from this thread and others that upgrading from a Base 991 to PSE includes replacing the side mufflers, I just have a hard time believing that it only costs $300 more to do this. Any clarification would be appreciated.
I wanted to expand this questions a bit further. I have a 991 Base and want to add PSE. The up charge from Suncoast is only about $300 more comparing buying the PSE for an S equipped car vs. a base car. It's hard for me to believe that $300 buys you side mufflers, vacuum lines and console switch. I understand from this thread and others that upgrading from a Base 991 to PSE includes replacing the side mufflers, I just have a hard time believing that it only costs $300 more to do this. Any clarification would be appreciated.
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Thanks Beaverlake. I do understand that the Suncoast price is for parts only. Just having a hard time believing that $300 includes all of those items. Having had experience with P-Car pricing, it seems like a $300 price difference is a low, low price for 2 new mufflers, switch, and vacuum lines. Maybe I have just become jaded paying Porsche prices for so long.
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Thanks Beaverlake. I do understand that the Suncoast price is for parts only. Just having a hard time believing that $300 includes all of those items. Having had experience with P-Car pricing, it seems like a $300 price difference is a low, low price for 2 new mufflers, switch, and vacuum lines. Maybe I have just become jaded paying Porsche prices for so long.
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Tried searching but had a hard time finding the information I'm looking for. In comparing factory exhaust options, can someone tell me the differences between an S non-PSE exhaust vs. one with PSE? Trying to decide if I want to do anything with my non-PSE setup. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by 2001f4s
Archimedes and STG thanks for the clarification. I am moving forward with the PSE install and looking forward to reporting back.
Just so you know, the console switch comes with the base and S models. You get a complete NEW switch assembly. No just adding the PSE button. They will order a custom unit by your VIN # with the PSE button added.
Any aftermarket tinkering is a resale killer. Better to keep OEM. Some guys keep old parts and put back to stock which is ok too.
In my opinion, PSE gives you the most bang for your buck. Usually not the case with the cost of OEM. Resale on aftermarket parts is terrible.
I like the Tubi and Akrapovic, but the upside over PSE doesn't justify the huge price differences. Plus with those two, at resale you'll have to take them off too and hope to regain 30% of your original cost if you're lucky.
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PSE is the best thing ever. If I had to choose between no seats and no PSE, I think I'd do without the seats. I would do terrible things to figure out how to get it to come on all the time without having to press the button every time I start the car.