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Old 11-03-2015, 06:35 PM
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I agree with the comments that there may not be much different power curves between the gts and S cars.

I feel the power difference is there at the low end. Minimal but there. However the sound is something completely different and that can't be replicated in an S model.
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No worries. We are in the same camp.
Yes. They are all fine for sure.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
That video is nonsense. Whoever was driving that CS didn't know what they were doing. Those cars are near identical in the quarter mile and the GTS will not walk away like that.
Imagine yourself from a moving position and one car is standing still while the other one has a 15 hp engine. 15 hp is incredibly much better than 0.


Does anybody have the specific torque curves for the GTS and the 997.2? Don't think I've seen them.
Old 11-04-2015, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by squid42
Imagine yourself from a moving position and one car is standing still while the other one has a 15 hp engine. 15 hp is incredibly much better than 0.
I'm guessing you weren't a math major. There is a big difference between comparing 15 and 0 HP, and 340 and 325hp... 15hp on 325hp isn't even noticeable; plus the GTS is 55lbs heavier. There is a 2.5% difference in HP/LB in these cars, which is immaterial.

Go look up the quarter mile times of both cars at the various magazines. They're near identical, varying form 12.6-12.8 seconds at 108-113mph, each car higher at some and lower at others.
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Originally Posted by akbjr
I agree with the comments that there may not be much different power curves between the gts and S cars.

I feel the power difference is there at the low end. Minimal but there. However the sound is something completely different and that can't be replicated in an S model.
Both cars with PSE should sound identical provided you are not talking about the new 911s coming out with turbos. The GTS and S have the same engine, you can get the S with the power kit which now it is identicle to the GTS so not sure here the sound is different..
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Originally Posted by akbjr
I agree with the comments that there may not be much different power curves between the gts and S cars.

I feel the power difference is there at the low end. Minimal but there. However the sound is something completely different and that can't be replicated in an S model.
Examining the torque curve between both cars, it's clear the 'S' has a little more low end torque and the GTS has more high end power.
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Goto 7:13 and check the acceleration difference between the 385hp GT4 & the 430hp GTS.

Apart from the initial launch with traction advantage goes to the rear engine GTS, there is nothing between them.

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Originally Posted by Spyder Man
Goto 7:13 and check the acceleration difference between the 385hp GT4 & the 430hp GTS.

Apart from the initial launch with traction advantage goes to the rear engine GTS, there is nothing between them.
The GTS is also 200lbs heavier.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
The GTS is also 200lbs heavier.
Mass is irrelevant at those speeds. It's aeorodynamics that's in play. The more power the better a car can rip through air. The 911 has a drag (as in air resistance) problem when compared to the GT4.
Old 11-05-2015, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Powereng
Both cars with PSE should sound identical provided you are not talking about the new 911s coming out with turbos. The GTS and S have the same engine, you can get the S with the power kit which now it is identicle to the GTS so not sure here the sound is different..
I just test drove a manual GTS and can say for sure the sounds are actually different. I have a T4S with PSE. the gts sounds meaner - more raw. Not sure if I prefer it over the 4S with PSE how ever which has a more base laden note.
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Originally Posted by Powereng
Both cars with PSE should sound identical provided you are not talking about the new 911s coming out with turbos. The GTS and S have the same engine, you can get the S with the power kit which now it is identicle to the GTS so not sure here the sound is different..
I understand the logic in your thought process, but my GTS sounds better than the 991S with PSE . That was the way with my 997 GTS also. It definitely sounded better than my 997S I had with PSE.

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Originally Posted by GSIRM3
I understand the logic in your thought process, but my GTS sounds better than the 991S with PSE .
Is it more throaty sounding or more of a higher rev sounding note? Thanks
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Originally Posted by 997s07
Mass is irrelevant at those speeds. It's aeorodynamics that's in play. The more power the better a car can rip through air. The 911 has a drag (as in air resistance) problem when compared to the GT4.
Nonsense. That's a drag race. Weight is absolutely relevant to the comparison. Aerodynamics doesn't matter much until the cars are up to speed, but power to weight ratio certainly matters in how fast each car gets to that speed.

And you're wrong on your second point as well, as the 911 actually has a better drag coefficient than the GT4 (.30 vs. .32).
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Nonsense. That's a drag race. Weight is absolutely relevant to the comparison. Aerodynamics doesn't matter much until the cars are up to speed, but power to weight ratio certainly matters in how fast each car gets to that speed.

And you're wrong on your second point as well, as the 911 actually has a better drag coefficient than the GT4 (.30 vs. .32).
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Originally Posted by Spyder Man
Goto 7:13 and check the acceleration difference between the 385hp GT4 & the 430hp GTS.

Apart from the initial launch with traction advantage goes to the rear engine GTS, there is nothing between them.
The other thing that people need to factor in is that, while Porsche only claims 385 BHP for the GT4, initial dyno runs indicate it actually makes just over 400HP at the crank, dead on the C2S. So the idea that it's detuned from the motor in the 991S is more marketing/product line differentiation than reality.


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