HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991
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Another minor difference on 2012.5 991 cars...
Now some will say "pfbz, first you insist on a manual transmission instead of a pdk because you enjoy shifting, then you want a manual that semi-automates that task. What gives?"
I have no logical answer for that, other than both manual and auto-rev make me smile when I drive more than pdk or manual without rev-match.
Link to video showing rev-matching downshifts
And the guy will skills better than mine that would hate the auto-blip... Evidently the dealer CAN turn off the feature on a later car through PIWIS, but CAN NOT enable it on an early car that didn't have it.
No auto rev match with manual transmission + Sport Chrono in Sport Plus mode. Early 2013 cars are missing this feature as well. Cutover was evidently cars with a build date before October 2012. I believe this is also the cutoff date for the change to the PCM?
I thought it was likely a gimmick that I wouldn't want or enjoy, until I drove a few cars with it. Actually pretty darn cool. Now some will say "pfbz, first you insist on a manual transmission instead of a pdk because you enjoy shifting, then you want a manual that semi-automates that task. What gives?"
I have no logical answer for that, other than both manual and auto-rev make me smile when I drive more than pdk or manual without rev-match.
Link to video showing rev-matching downshifts
And the guy will skills better than mine that would hate the auto-blip... Evidently the dealer CAN turn off the feature on a later car through PIWIS, but CAN NOT enable it on an early car that didn't have it.
Last edited by pfbz; 07-23-2017 at 05:40 PM.
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Heel-and-toe for rev matching is a significantly harder skill than regular shifting, and just plain awkward. You have to twist your foot halfway off the throttle. I guess there are people who are into it, but man, I'd just rather than car took care of that.
Another minor difference on 2012.5 991 cars...
Now some will say "pfbz, first you insist on a manual transmission instead of a pdk because you enjoy shifting, then you want a manual that semi-automates that task. What gives?"
I have no logical answer for that, other than both manual and auto-rev make me smile when I drive more than pdk or manual without rev-match.
Link to video showing rev-matching downshifts here
And the guy will skills better than mine that would hate the auto-blip... Evidently the dealer CAN turn off the feature on a later car through PIWIS, but CAN NOT enable it on an early car that didn't have it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=onaez6jCzNU
No auto rev match with manual transmission + Sport Chrono in Sport Plus mode. Early 2013 cars are missing this feature as well. Cutover was evidently cars with a build date before October 2012. I believe this is also the cutoff date for the change to the PCM?
I thought it was likely a gimmick that I wouldn't want or enjoy, until I drove a few cars with it. Actually pretty darn cool. Now some will say "pfbz, first you insist on a manual transmission instead of a pdk because you enjoy shifting, then you want a manual that semi-automates that task. What gives?"
I have no logical answer for that, other than both manual and auto-rev make me smile when I drive more than pdk or manual without rev-match.
Link to video showing rev-matching downshifts here
And the guy will skills better than mine that would hate the auto-blip... Evidently the dealer CAN turn off the feature on a later car through PIWIS, but CAN NOT enable it on an early car that didn't have it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=onaez6jCzNU
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Burning Brakes
All I can think of, it must work for them, in the local market. Yeah, you're paying about what you'd pay for a brand new 2017 off the lot from most dealers across the country, but if no one was buying at those prices, they wouldn't do it.
California is a car culture. Particularly around Los Angeles, with the expressways and sprawl because no one wants to build upward. I've never lived near the San Jose / San Francisco area, so I don't know what it's like there, but I assume it's similar.
Not only is a car necessary, a lot of people care about nice cars. There's money there, or the real estate prices wouldn't be so high. I wouldn't be surprised if more people buy Porsches there than anywhere else.
California is a car culture. Particularly around Los Angeles, with the expressways and sprawl because no one wants to build upward. I've never lived near the San Jose / San Francisco area, so I don't know what it's like there, but I assume it's similar.
Not only is a car necessary, a lot of people care about nice cars. There's money there, or the real estate prices wouldn't be so high. I wouldn't be surprised if more people buy Porsches there than anywhere else.
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BTW all that makes the 2012.5 991's "not special" compared to a 2013 works the other way, too - nothing that would prevent me from considering a low mile, well maintained, good condition 2012.5 991, either. They are solid cars! Any of the early model jitters (COV's, I'm looking at you) will have been most likely solved a long time ago.
A 2012.5 991 is a great buy!
A 2012.5 991 is a great buy!
Just out of curiosity- are there any actual changes that could be identified between the 2012.5 cars and those that were produced up to MY16 (mid 2016 or so)?
I can understand the "mode bundling" for things that affect safety or maybe even performance, but usage pattern? Nope.
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A few options were not available on the 2012.5 as well. Otherwise, same engine, same transmission, same interior, same exterior, etc.
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Right up there with Livermore Porsche and their 2016 GTS (manual) with 1600 miles on it, offered at $143,000.
https://livermore.porschedealer.com/...tallic+1297935
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All I can think of, it must work for them, in the local market. Yeah, you're paying about what you'd pay for a brand new 2017 off the lot from most dealers across the country, but if no one was buying at those prices, they wouldn't do it.
California is a car culture. Particularly around Los Angeles, with the expressways and sprawl because no one wants to build upward. I've never lived near the San Jose / San Francisco area, so I don't know what it's like there, but I assume it's similar.
Not only is a car necessary, a lot of people care about nice cars. There's money there, or the real estate prices wouldn't be so high. I wouldn't be surprised if more people buy Porsches there than anywhere else.
California is a car culture. Particularly around Los Angeles, with the expressways and sprawl because no one wants to build upward. I've never lived near the San Jose / San Francisco area, so I don't know what it's like there, but I assume it's similar.
Not only is a car necessary, a lot of people care about nice cars. There's money there, or the real estate prices wouldn't be so high. I wouldn't be surprised if more people buy Porsches there than anywhere else.
All true.
A.) Silicon Valley generates a lot of millionaires who spend 6+ days at work and wouldn't care about paying up.
B.) The San Francisco Bay Area is the most expensive place in the country to live.
Case in point: a 6,941 square foot Penthouse atop 181 Fremont Street in the City is being offered for $6,051 a sq. ft. ($42 million)
C.) Dealers out here will see that a 2016 GTS with close to 20,000 miles sells for $120,000 in a transaction and this gives them the chutzpah to offer a low miles GTS for nearly the price of a new 991.2 GTS