HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991
#5851
Race Director
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#5852
Race Director
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Not so great 991.2 sales are actually driving 991.1 prices upward or staying strong from my observations. Looking at a lot of the new listings, I'm really surprised by the pricing.
#5853
Rennlist Member
Hey STG not sure if this one was posted
https://autohauslancasterporsche.com...etallic+721120
PTS Grigio (?) nicely equipped
https://autohauslancasterporsche.com...etallic+721120
PTS Grigio (?) nicely equipped
#5854
Someone needs to buy this car and show it some love!
#5855
Instructor
Seems like a decent price point for non cpo one owner low-ish miles C2. Sapphire Blue 16k mi. $57,000
Their site has some $51-53k high mi 991's too.
http://www.offleaseonly.com/mobile/pages/inventory/details.asp?vin=WP0AA2A9XES107370
Their site has some $51-53k high mi 991's too.
http://www.offleaseonly.com/mobile/pages/inventory/details.asp?vin=WP0AA2A9XES107370
#5856
Hey STG not sure if this one was posted
https://autohauslancasterporsche.com...etallic+721120
PTS Grigio (?) nicely equipped
https://autohauslancasterporsche.com...etallic+721120
PTS Grigio (?) nicely equipped
#5857
Race Car
Hey STG not sure if this one was posted
https://autohauslancasterporsche.com...etallic+721120
PTS Grigio (?) nicely equipped
https://autohauslancasterporsche.com...etallic+721120
PTS Grigio (?) nicely equipped
#5858
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Dan Nagy
Grigio? It looks like white to me. That custom color was a waste of money.
They mixed in a bit of black! It's a solid non metallic color too.
#5859
Talking to actual 718 buyers it seems that they spontaneously like the zippy new drive character and, most often heard, that Porsche is now offering a lot more modern electronics in the 718 that were previously reserved for the 911. I've seen people dump older Boxsters without a second thought after a simple test 718 drive at the dealer.
I didn't see any 911 refreshes with people I know, and I hear a common complaint that the prices are just out of line now (with the equipment they want). They only test drive when free autocross is offered and don't bite.
I did not regret paying attention. A lot of factors that don't match my personal experience.
#5860
Race Car
I find it stunning that the mid-engine buyers have eaten up the turbo move very happily (although they got downgraded to 4 cylinders), whereas the 911 buyers did not accept the turbo even thought they at least stayed with a flat 6.
Talking to actual 718 buyers it seems that they spontaneously like the zippy new drive character and, most often heard, that Porsche is now offering a lot more modern electronics in the 718 that were previously reserved for the 911. I've seen people dump older Boxsters without a second thought after a simple test 718 drive at the dealer.
I didn't see any 911 refreshes with people I know, and I hear a common complaint that the prices are just out of line now (with the equipment they want). They only test drive when free autocross is offered and don't bite.
I did not regret paying attention. A lot of factors that don't match my personal experience.
Talking to actual 718 buyers it seems that they spontaneously like the zippy new drive character and, most often heard, that Porsche is now offering a lot more modern electronics in the 718 that were previously reserved for the 911. I've seen people dump older Boxsters without a second thought after a simple test 718 drive at the dealer.
I didn't see any 911 refreshes with people I know, and I hear a common complaint that the prices are just out of line now (with the equipment they want). They only test drive when free autocross is offered and don't bite.
I did not regret paying attention. A lot of factors that don't match my personal experience.
For example, my dealership has one 911. They just bought one from another dealership so that they would have two. Lol. My SA also told me that they weren't receiving as much inventory. It would be interesting hear from somebody that actually knows....
As for me, the price seems to be pretty good for what you're getting. My base car coming in has roughly the same performance as last years "S", PASM as standard, and a lot of other improvements. I had a choice between buying a .1 or .2.
#5861
Burning Brakes
I drove a 2017 base 911 with MT. Liked it but nothing to buy at $100k for me, would rather a used 991.1S. However, I need to go take the new S for a spin with the Sport Package as it could change my mind. However, NA engines will be missed and soon almost nobody will make one with more than about 2.5L and 180hp. Time is passing us by . . .
#5862
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Dan Nagy
I am not so sure that the sales numbers are due to poor acceptance of the new 911. From what I can see, production has been limited and there just isn't any inventory to sell. Also, production slots seem to be at a premium.
For example, my dealership has one 911. They just bought one from another dealership so that they would have two. Lol. My SA also told me that they weren't receiving as much inventory. It would be interesting hear from somebody that actually knows....
For example, my dealership has one 911. They just bought one from another dealership so that they would have two. Lol. My SA also told me that they weren't receiving as much inventory. It would be interesting hear from somebody that actually knows....
Porsche controls supply very tightly. They make as many cars as they can sell. They aren't "holding back" street Carrera's. They know the demand for them (which must be under their goal), and seem to be a lot more cautious in not having excess inventory out there which causes more discounting and cars sitting on lots. They learned this lesson with the 991.1 Turbo/Turbo S's and Panamera's.
They are definitely playing this game with the GT cars and seems to be filtering down a bit.
Dealers want nice margins and they are playing the "luxury goods" game more so now.
By the way, Boxster/Cayman/718 sales are down in 2016 too. I don't expect them to be breaking any sales records either. The point about the 911 pricing being pushed too high has some validity. Over $100K for a base Carrera? Like mentioned, a 991.1 S for $70-$90K is the real "deal". Why the used market has been strong as noted in my previous comments.
My take on it!
#5863
Three Wheelin'
Porsche controls supply very tightly. They make as many cars as they can sell. They aren't "holding back" street Carrera's. They know the demand for them (which must be under their goal), and seem to be a lot more cautious in not having excess inventory out there which causes more discounting and cars sitting on lots.
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Last edited by Al.Fresco; 11-02-2016 at 05:33 PM.
#5864
Race Director
Thread Starter
Either way you look at it, big picture, times are good. The sports cars?? Don't lose focus Porsche.
http://www.carscoops.com/2016/11/vol...oming.html?m=1
http://www.carscoops.com/2016/11/vol...oming.html?m=1
Last edited by STG; 11-02-2016 at 08:29 PM.
#5865
Rennlist Member
Re: boxster /cayman sales. - down 20% from last year and that includes sales of leftover '16 'S still on the lot. Not the 50% decrease of the 911 but still poor performance.