GTS MODELS ARE ANNOUNCED!
10-08-2014, 02:17 AM
#91
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I don't know why anyone would dislike the 50th. Its a lot easier to make an argument for the 50 being a special high-value retaining model than the GTS. They are similar in that both have X51, wide body, special interior materials, and wheels. (Which a lot of guys don't even like.) The 50 adds exclusive colors and trim, and totally ups the ante in being a one-off. There will be a GTS every time now. There will only ever be one 50.
Another thing I like about the 50, it doesn't try and be more than it is. Try and parse performance between the GTS, the 50, and any other decently optioned 991S, you are slicing it pretty thin. Yet slap "GTS" on the side and suddenly it "fills the gap" between the 991S and the GT3? Right. I mean, they are all good Porsches, but come on! You simply cannot fill that "gap" with Alcantara and center locks.
Another thing I like about the 50, it doesn't try and be more than it is. Try and parse performance between the GTS, the 50, and any other decently optioned 991S, you are slicing it pretty thin. Yet slap "GTS" on the side and suddenly it "fills the gap" between the 991S and the GT3? Right. I mean, they are all good Porsches, but come on! You simply cannot fill that "gap" with Alcantara and center locks.
the only differences between the 50th and the GTS are cosmetics, a badge
and (potentially) a limited production run (but then we dont know how many
GTS's will be built)
10-08-2014, 02:18 AM
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10-08-2014, 02:24 AM
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Another thing I like about the 50, it doesn't try and be more than it is. Try and parse performance between the GTS, the 50, and any other decently optioned 991S, you are slicing it pretty thin. Yet slap "GTS" on the side and suddenly it "fills the gap" between the 991S and the GT3? Right. I mean, they are all good Porsches, but come on! You simply cannot fill that "gap" with Alcantara and center locks.
10-08-2014, 02:26 AM
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I agree it is disappointing in that there seems to be nothing "new" like RAS or PDKs, but hasn't Porsche almost always made the next car better? I simply don't want to wait another year. It looks like an excellent deal for anyone who likes alcantara and center lock wheels. I think it will even be a good deal for someone like me who wants leather and 5 bolts with the apparent discount on the the X51, sport design SW (though I really want a MFSW with paddles) and SD mirrors. Every time I clicked X51 on my C4S build, my final price went into the mid $150s. I'm thinking (hoping) this price structure so far will bring the final tag a tad under $150.
That's too bad. These could have been very special (as in great) variants of the 911. Instead it is the same old Porsche "parts bin clearance" story.
"Let's shove alcantara seats and center lock wheels down their throats until all external warehouses holding the gazillion excess center lock wheels are cleared out. And we can strip the chrome stuff off the remaining 50th rear grill and put the black grills on the GTS so we cab get rid of [edited for clarification of my tongue in cheek comment] those parts out too. Americans, they will buy anything! Ha ha ha!"
"Let's shove alcantara seats and center lock wheels down their throats until all external warehouses holding the gazillion excess center lock wheels are cleared out. And we can strip the chrome stuff off the remaining 50th rear grill and put the black grills on the GTS so we cab get rid of [edited for clarification of my tongue in cheek comment] those parts out too. Americans, they will buy anything! Ha ha ha!"
other Porsche products ...
get a grip on yourselves ... flights of fancy that somehow it might inherit GT3 componentry but remain somehow not a GT3 at a GT3 pricepoint were just not realistic... psychotropic enhancement aside.
This is a great 911 if you wanted a wide body, with X51 and some additional cosmetics at a discount to the ala carte specs... if you want a GT3 ... drop
GT3 money.
10-08-2014, 02:29 AM
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I don't know why anyone would dislike the 50th. Its a lot easier to make an argument for the 50 being a special high-value retaining model than the GTS. They are similar in that both have X51, wide body, special interior materials, and wheels. (Which a lot of guys don't even like.) The 50 adds exclusive colors and trim, and totally ups the ante in being a one-off. There will be a GTS every time now. There will only ever be one 50.
Another thing I like about the 50, it doesn't try and be more than it is. Try and parse performance between the GTS, the 50, and any other decently optioned 991S, you are slicing it pretty thin. Yet slap "GTS" on the side and suddenly it "fills the gap" between the 991S and the GT3? Right. I mean, they are all good Porsches, but come on! You simply cannot fill that "gap" with Alcantara and center locks.
Another thing I like about the 50, it doesn't try and be more than it is. Try and parse performance between the GTS, the 50, and any other decently optioned 991S, you are slicing it pretty thin. Yet slap "GTS" on the side and suddenly it "fills the gap" between the 991S and the GT3? Right. I mean, they are all good Porsches, but come on! You simply cannot fill that "gap" with Alcantara and center locks.
much for every pocket book.
The GTS is "nothing more than it is" - a wide body with an X51 and some cosmetics that are discounted ... its not a GT3, its not aTurbo ... its not
equiped with a "Mr Fusion"... but its still a pretty nice car.
10-08-2014, 02:30 AM
#96
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I'm just not a fan of *any* of the cosmetics, I dont like the colors, I dont like the wheels, I dont like the interior ... it doesn't mean its not a great car that others can love ... it just does not appeal to me cosmetically, and lets face it
the only differences between the 50th and the GTS are cosmetics, a badge
and (potentially) a limited production run (but then we dont know how many
GTS's will be built)
the only differences between the 50th and the GTS are cosmetics, a badge
and (potentially) a limited production run (but then we dont know how many
GTS's will be built)
10-08-2014, 02:33 AM
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That's exactly why you have GTS. Numbers will be limited as 991.1 production run will come to an end next year. For the record I was at a dealership last month and saw a 997 GTS, the sales guy said that they are very popular but they don't get many in - that must be good for resale I guess.
10-08-2014, 03:46 AM
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10-08-2014, 03:53 AM
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I haven't discussed prices yet with my dealer. They always take good care of me. A little over a month ago I ordered a 2015 911S, but backed out a few days later when rumors began to fly about the GTS. They were giving me 7% off sticker on that car. I'm now #1 on their GTS list. My current lease expires in March so the timing works out quite nicely.
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But, that's the thing about the GTS… You save on some of the options, i.e. X51, but you give it back by getting less of a discount. I assume GTS's will get close to MSRP vs. the 7-8% off some are getting off "regular" C2S's. That's not an inconsequential amount.
10-08-2014, 03:58 AM
#100
Guys, guys, where have you been, you're disappointed? really? have you bothered to read any of the threads prior to the press release, the car was as predicted by many of us, and followed its 997 predecessor in philosophy ... ok so its a 'parts bin special' with some custom trim - ahem 50th and so many
other Porsche products ...
get a grip on yourselves ... flights of fancy that somehow it might inherit GT3 componentry but remain somehow not a GT3 at a GT3 pricepoint were just not realistic... psychotropic enhancement aside.
This is a great 911 if you wanted a wide body, with X51 and some additional cosmetics at a discount to the ala carte specs... if you want a GT3 ... drop
GT3 money.
other Porsche products ...
get a grip on yourselves ... flights of fancy that somehow it might inherit GT3 componentry but remain somehow not a GT3 at a GT3 pricepoint were just not realistic... psychotropic enhancement aside.
This is a great 911 if you wanted a wide body, with X51 and some additional cosmetics at a discount to the ala carte specs... if you want a GT3 ... drop
GT3 money.
10-08-2014, 04:00 AM
#101
Let us know what discount if any you get.
But, that's the thing about the GTS… You save on some of the options, i.e. X51, but you give it back by getting less of a discount. I assume GTS's will get close to MSRP vs. the 7-8% off some are getting off "regular" C2S's. That's not an inconsequential amount.
But, that's the thing about the GTS… You save on some of the options, i.e. X51, but you give it back by getting less of a discount. I assume GTS's will get close to MSRP vs. the 7-8% off some are getting off "regular" C2S's. That's not an inconsequential amount.
10-08-2014, 04:07 AM
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Larry Cable Wrote:
I do, they will build as many as you guys buy. Until the 991.2/992 comes out they will build a GTS for every customer out there.
As far as the 50th goes, whether you like it or not, it generates more stares, looks and comments than any other 911 I have had. People see the 50 back there and they all start talking. They all have a 911 story they want to share. This is something I had NO anticipation for at all. Sometimes I feel like I am the caretaker of something special like the Stanley Cup or something similar. But I try to be polite and answer all the questions and listen to all the stories. Non Porsche people love the damn thing.
(but then we dont know how many
GTS's will be built)
GTS's will be built)
As far as the 50th goes, whether you like it or not, it generates more stares, looks and comments than any other 911 I have had. People see the 50 back there and they all start talking. They all have a 911 story they want to share. This is something I had NO anticipation for at all. Sometimes I feel like I am the caretaker of something special like the Stanley Cup or something similar. But I try to be polite and answer all the questions and listen to all the stories. Non Porsche people love the damn thing.
10-08-2014, 04:25 AM
#103
Larry Cable Wrote:
I do, they will build as many as you guys buy. Until the 991.2/992 comes out they will build a GTS for every customer out there.
As far as the 50th goes, whether you like it or not, it generates more stares, looks and comments than any other 911 I have had. People see the 50 back there and they all start talking. They all have a 911 story they want to share. This is something I had NO anticipation for at all. Sometimes I feel like I am the caretaker of something special like the Stanley Cup or something similar. But I try to be polite and answer all the questions and listen to all the stories. Non Porsche people love the damn thing.
I do, they will build as many as you guys buy. Until the 991.2/992 comes out they will build a GTS for every customer out there.
As far as the 50th goes, whether you like it or not, it generates more stares, looks and comments than any other 911 I have had. People see the 50 back there and they all start talking. They all have a 911 story they want to share. This is something I had NO anticipation for at all. Sometimes I feel like I am the caretaker of something special like the Stanley Cup or something similar. But I try to be polite and answer all the questions and listen to all the stories. Non Porsche people love the damn thing.
10-08-2014, 05:05 AM
#104
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Amazing to think that I can move from a C4S Cab to a GTS 2 Cab and save at least a couple thousand bucks (if Jalopnik's base price is correct). And I get the powerkit thrown in as well! I've never felt as though I was getting a bargain from Porsche before!! I'M IN!!!
10-08-2014, 05:14 AM
#105
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As far as the 50th goes, whether you like it or not, it generates more stares, looks and comments than any other 911 I have had. People see the 50 back there and they all start talking. They all have a 911 story they want to share. This is something I had NO anticipation for at all. Sometimes I feel like I am the caretaker of something special like the Stanley Cup or something similar. But I try to be polite and answer all the questions and listen to all the stories. Non Porsche people love the damn thing.
