Zane S

Good afternoon,

Currently, I own the 2013 911 cab 4S GT Silver/with Blue Top. Absolutely love the car; it's my third 911. However, I am doing some research on the potential 911 GTS cab to be announced as the yet 2015 model. I would appreciate any general feedback on specs, timing, other, if anyone would share as part of my research.

Best, and thanks,

Z

chuck911

The new GTS will be released in L.A. It will be the flat 6 with X-51, unless its a turbo'd 4 cylinder, or hybrid. There will be a face lift, or at least botox, and rear-axle steering, C4 wide body, and everything you could possibly want in a fantasy 911, which for now is all it is. Thoroughly documented in all its glory here: https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8307...rprise-10.html

Larry Cable

all will apparently be revealed in L.a 18th-20 at the motor show press days.

We are all assuming it will follow similar formula to the previous 997 GTS:

- 4S Wide body: 2WD and 4WD Coupe and Cabriolet models
- X51 powerkit as std
- interior alacantara (opional)
- CL wheels (optional)

those are the basics

If the car is a 991.2 facelift we can anticipate some minor cosmetic tweaks around the lighting, maybe aero and probably the new MF steering wheel from the Macan...

watch this space I'll be at the show on the 21st and will post photos etc

Zane S

Thanks Chuck and Larry; much appreciated.

Z

Larry Cable

I think it will be worth the wait... basically imagine the 50th anniversary coupe without all the retro cosmetics...

Z356

Larry, first of all, you need to head to Scotland and vote YES on the independence referendum! I thought I saw a photo of you parading around in your usual gear (see #1). That was you, right?

Second, I don't buy the LA Auto Show announcement hype, period. End of story.

a) Why on earth would PAG release a MY2015 gts when the facelift will appear by spring of next year and the gts will be an important future product in the lineup!

b)And why would PAG reveal the facelift .2 991 (or as some are calling it - the 992) in early November when their dealers world-wide have the task of selling pre-face lift MY2015 .1 991's for the next 9 months? That would be downright stupid!

So I have my doubts.

Here is my take on this subject. I think something is brewing at PAG right now. And we don't yet know the whole story. They seem to be phasing out the .1 991 gt3. And the .1 991 gt3 RS is supposed to be announced soon...but in very limited quantities. I have a theory on all of this. I goes as follows. For reasons we don't yet quite know (could be related to the gt3 engine), PAG will transfer some of the technology developed for the 991 gt3 into a more mainstream 911 model! That model will be the new 991 'gts'. It will have 'rear axle steering'. That is key! It will have a stronger engine than the x51 option. In effect, it will be a sort-of-sequal to the base 991 gt3 ...but in a more mainstream product call the '991 gts' and with a more reliable motor! This will be an important product for PAG and will raise the bar for the standard 991 product line. It makes no sense for them to do this special 'gts' model on the pre-face lift .1 MY2015 model with the limited time remaining between November and June of next year. This would only make sense as a .2 991 post-face lift model, coming out early in calendar year 2015 as a MY2016. That is what my crystal ball says. And I was raised by Romani Gypsies...so that is all I can say at the moment. But I have been wrong before. My wife reminds me of that everyday. And I could be wrong again. So stay tune...and see who wins in the Scottish vote!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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ipse dixit

Whoa, Ed.
Don't let the folks over at the GT3 board hear you say that.

chuckbdc

GT3 PDK and steering software, along with typical GTS interior and X-51 standard, and I will replace my C2S.

Z356

I have already talked about it over there back in late August. See post #13 at link below:

"In terms of the VW Group (think larger volume) and expected increased profits for each model line, it makes no sense for Porsche to pull back from producing a healthy dose (at least 10% of total 991 production) of gt3's going forward. 'Mike in CA' has a theory which says they don't have capacity to do both - gt3 & gt3 RS. I challenge that assumption. There is capacity if they want to do it (even a third shift, if needed)...at Zuffenhausen & other locations*. And they could also cut back on base and lesser S 'spec' 991 production at Zuffenhausen... take a look how many unsold MY2014's are sitting at US dealers right now!

I can think of only two reasons why PAG has decided to eased out the 991 gt3 this early in time:

a) For reasons of liability, they want to limit the number of gt3 engines out in the field!

b) They have Cycle 6 emissions issues which have not been solved or negotiated to the satisfaction of governing authorities. Thus, they are going with a different engine in the near future...and need time to redesign the content of this particular gt3 model to match the new engine.

The only silver lining I see in this 'cloud' is that most of the key technology developed for the current 991 gt3 (pdk sport, Rear Axle Steering) will now be offered on the upcoming 991 gts model that will be announced shortly. That is my hope...not inside information! But it makes sense. The technology is already developed, needs to be paid for since it's expected gt3 sales are being eliminated, and it will create buzz & sales for this face lifted .2 991 platform."

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...l#post11607070

But since my specialization is PTS & deviated stitching, I seem to get a pass from some of the most dedicated 991 gt3 fanboys.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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Larry Cable

I don't think this car is gen 1


And I think I have enough independent confirmation that it's going to happen.....


What the spec is we will have to eat and see
But Porsche are a always careful not to canabalize
Their model range so I don't buy your reasoning
At all

We will see in November
Larry

Z356

Names? Who else besides Jonny Lieberman.


Eat, see, canabalize! Yes, I see a foodie trend there! Let's wait and eat, then!

By the way, was that you with the Scottish flag? Or this other guy below?

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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Larry Cable

Well one data point is that some UK owners have been contacted asking if they have interest in a GTS.

The other DP I am not able to share; but I am confident that their confirmation of the L.A launch is reliable

chuck911

Curious about that one comment Eduardo, Rear Axle Steering developed for the GT3? RAS just seems more like something they'd make for the Turbo. I mean the GT3 guys are a hard sell on any technology newer than the ball bearing....

FORENN

I recall the thread you are referencing. Much of what you said turned out to be true, but certain RL members aren't about to recognize it. Sad.

FORENN

Lol