I am positive the GTS won't disappoint as long as 2 aspects are met IMO : manual has to be an option,just as the 5 lugs need to be.

 

If true, this changes things a bit...in my opinion. That means the late arrival MY2015 .1 991 gts will NOT HAVE any of the truly interesting things I was anticipating* - Sport PDK and Rear Axle Steering! As such, it's will be indeed a marketing parts-bin exercise...which will be really disappointing!

Not necessarily. If the gts is to be introduced as a MY2015 .1 991 later this calendar year, then PAG & PCNA will probably start leaking info on it to dealers & the automotive press BEFORE the actual debut at Los Angeles in November! Remember that last year (right at about this time - late in September of 2013 actually!) someone attending a PCNA 'secret meeting' in Atlanta leaked information on the Targa, gts Boxster/Cayman, etc!

http://jalopnik.com/insider-leaks-ev...eal-1410845487

There is an important Porsche dealers reunion at Las Vegas in mid-October. If a MY2015 .1 991 gt2 is coming by end of the year, we will hear about it, come hook or crook, right around those dates. The time schedules are getting too tight (relative to model year production) for PAG & their dealer network NOT TO KNOW ASAP about this additional gts model and allow the latter to plan for it! Quite frankly, it's unreasonable to wait until November to start talking about it from a marketing perspective! And the only way to get those orders filled quickly for the late arriving MY2015 gts (for both dealers & PAG production planning) is to start the 'buzz' early - with the dealers, the automotive press and ultimately the targeted consumers! That is why the automotive press will be 'in' on the planned 'leak' sooner than November. That is my prediction. Let's see how this plays out. We will know soon enough.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

*If the 'new' .1 991 gts model is not the 'Great White Hope' I was expecting to see, some other 991 model(s) in the MY2016 .2 facelift will have to fill that role if indeed the 991 gt3 is phased out. But we can speculate about that in another thread.
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Great minds think alike

 

Wait… what????

 

Didn't you get the bulletin?

The next track marketing special will be based the mid engine V8 car aimed between the 911 and the 918. The R8 and Huracan development costs have to be shared across the brand to compete with mass market models on the way from McLaren and Ferrari.

(I just made that up; but this forum is too quiet compared to the fanboy wars over where the iPhone 6 is being "discussed")

 

Very interesting take..I tend to believe history repeats itself for a reason, and you're probably right--it will leak soon

 

Eduardo, I think it makes more sense (based on timing of launch and our understanding of the production schedules) that this car will be a 991.2
facelift 2016MY and not a .1 2015...
I think the question of feature set is somewhat distinct from this, although I agree that *if* it were a 2015, it is highly improbable (near zero) that it would have PDK-S or RWS.

My bet is it is a MY2016 facelift, which will start production spring '15, what features it will have above the parts bin... only time will tell.

Clearly this is already happening if Porsche dealers in the UK are contacting prospective customers to inquire about their interest in the car.

agreed.

 

Why would the UK be the test market/bellwether for anything Porsche though?

 

I believe that history is the best predictor of future behavior. With that in mind:

The first GTS model (not counting the 904) was the 997.2 GTS. It was released in MY 2011, first available in the Spring of 2011. It lasted into MY 2012. Incidentally, IIRC, you could still order the 997.2 in 2012 while the first 991's were being released.

We haven't seen a 911 GTS since the end of the 997.2.

A GTS version of the Cayenne was released near the end of the first generation of that model. When the next version of the Cayenne was released, a GTS version was available immediately. Now, There's a 3rd generation of the Cayenne arriving shortly, and there is not a GTS version of it.

A GTS version of the Panamera was released in the last year (or two?) of the 1st generation Panamera. When the 2nd generation Panamera was released, a GTS version was available immediately.

The Macan hit the dealerships around May of this year. I've heard nothing about a GTS version of that car.

Throughout the multiple generations of the Boxster/Cayman, there's never been a GTS version. Until now. The current generation is a year or so old, and the GTS version of each has just hit the dealerships.

So what can we conclude from all of this?

NOTHING.

Porsche has been totally inconsistent across their models with the GTS version of their cars. Given that wide range of past action, I'm not sure how anyone can predict whether the new GTS will be a 991.1, or a 991.2, or a 992, or whatever. Unless you have the inside scoop directly from PCNA and I don't think those people are talking, at least not for attribution. Yet.

I live in SoCal and go to the Porsche VIP showing at the LA Auto Show every year. I sure hope I see a new GTS there this year and that it'll be available for order shortly thereafter.

Since everyone is logging in with their predictions, I'll repeat what I've said previously - I think it'll be a 991(.1) 4 body, with the current X51 engine (430 hp), with alcantara and centerlocks standard;, leather and 5-bolt wheels optional. Probably in coupe and cab versions, rwd and awd versions. I don't expect it to be the updated 911; I don't expect to see rear wheel steering; I don't expect to see more that 430 hp. But I'd be happy to see any or all of those improvements!

DMoore
'13 991S
'13 970GTS

 

Its not, you are looking for a 'conspiracy' that does not exist, they have simply chosen to reach out to some of their customers earlier...

The point to extract from this is that a representative of PCGB has essentially confirmed the existence of the model...

 

+1

 

That's all fine and dandy,what I want to know is if it'll have a manual option or not?

 

I cant see why it wont.

 

I'll add to my prediction that the next GTS will have MT available. The 50th Anniversary did, and I expect the engine to be "S" + X-51. The S has MT available so I think the GTS will as well.

See my previous remarks about not being able to predict anything...

DMoore
'13 991S
'13 970GTS

 

Regarding the menial, the reasons they've given for eliminating it from the GT3 had to do with both performance and cost. As Preuninger has said, the transmissions are different enough in weight and the GT3 is so specialized it would have called for two different suspension and aero setups. Even if they make the GTS a lot less appearance oriented wanna-be and more true track performance oriented, its still unlikely they'd get to the point that would matter. So I say yes. In spite of the fact the GT3 has put the writing clearly on the wall, the GTS will have a menial. Unless its a serious GTS.