Pdk or manual
06-14-2014 | 09:04 PM
#122
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06-15-2014 | 12:04 AM
#123
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Jeez...after reading all of the anti-manual venom here, I get the impression that there are actually a lot of current Porsche owners for whom the arrival of a totally-autonomous Porsche can't come soon enough.
06-15-2014 | 12:11 AM
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Hmm, I haven't seen any anti-manual posts. Got a link to one?
06-15-2014 | 04:53 AM
#126
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I'm sorry to tell you...and this is from an old man, you're behind the times.
It's just going to be downhill for you "gotta have a manual guys".
06-15-2014 | 02:06 PM
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06-15-2014 | 02:28 PM
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Never had an auto box until my 911-50. Daily driver is an RS4 and when i drive the PDK, i do not miss the manual in the RS. I guess having a manual, and a PDK , is the. Est of both world. Could live with either one without regrets.
06-15-2014 | 10:47 PM
#129
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OK, "venom" was a poorly chosen word. Derogatory sarcasm is more accurate. And, there's no need for a link. It's all right here in this thread:
I'm also 60 years old, but I'm not a "you gotta have a manual guy"...I'm an "I gotta have a manual guy". I understand that I'm in the minority on this...I just don't care. However, I sincerely hope that everyone who buys a PDK enjoys it as much as I enjoy my manuals...well actually, I hope they enjoy it $4xxx more than I enjoy my manuals. That way, they'll be getting their money's worth.
...Its already bad enough the way MT proponents seem unable to comprehend that shifting is at best one small element of driving- and an extremely small element, at that. If on top of that they hate really cool technological advances like this self-drifting BMW, well then it gets to sounding positively luddite.
After we do that, let's hold another race to 100 mph where you leave your spark timing set at 5 degrees BTDC and I'll adjust mine manually for best performance versus RPM. Then we can argue about how much "involvement" and "engagement" and "interaction" I will lose when I order my next car with Porsche Automatische Gespitzensparkenclockenspiel.
I agree its laughable. I'm sixty years old and driving sports cars most of my driving days. There was a time that it had to be a manual but that time ended a while ago. What good is it to feel more apart, if its of a loosing proposition? My PDK is faster and more efficient than your manual and I feel I'm loosing nothing.
I'm sorry to tell you...and this is from an old man, you're behind the times.
It's just going to be downhill for you "gotta have a manual guys".
I'm sorry to tell you...and this is from an old man, you're behind the times.
It's just going to be downhill for you "gotta have a manual guys".
06-16-2014 | 12:00 PM
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Came across this very interesting article by Seth Godin today which I think has some relevance to the Manual tribe, would be great to know if they associate with this tribe attitude. I can certainly relate to it from a "no sunroof" camp (eventhough it does have a scientific merit too, just like PDK).
This is an extract and not the full article which you can find on his blog, BTW I do recommend subscribing to his (marketing) blog, its usually pretty short. http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/
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Many tribes gain in power and connection by finding their opposite, by identifying the choices that members won't make.
"People like us don't do things like that."
So the vegan tribe obviously chooses to not eat meat. And during the key formative years, the Apple tribe wouldn't deign to buy Microsoft products. The Amish build solidarity and define themselves by the machines they choose not to use, and for a long time, many professional photographers wouldn't use digital cameras.
The smart choice is to understand that tribal identity is based on choices, not on facts, based on allegiances, not the intentional disregard of the rest of the world. Some sects of the motorcycle tribe don't wear helments... not because they believe it's safer (and thus denying the obvious) but because it's a choice they want to make.
The problem is this: science is not the opposite of a tribe, just like the panda is not the opposite of the bicycle and the avocado isn't the opposite of the semicolon. Facts are different than choices. Tribes thrive when they connect and coordinate and synchronize. They work when they create a cultural connection. But they can't thrive when they merely embrace (or deny) the reality of the world around them.
This is an extract and not the full article which you can find on his blog, BTW I do recommend subscribing to his (marketing) blog, its usually pretty short. http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/
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Many tribes gain in power and connection by finding their opposite, by identifying the choices that members won't make.
"People like us don't do things like that."
So the vegan tribe obviously chooses to not eat meat. And during the key formative years, the Apple tribe wouldn't deign to buy Microsoft products. The Amish build solidarity and define themselves by the machines they choose not to use, and for a long time, many professional photographers wouldn't use digital cameras.
The smart choice is to understand that tribal identity is based on choices, not on facts, based on allegiances, not the intentional disregard of the rest of the world. Some sects of the motorcycle tribe don't wear helments... not because they believe it's safer (and thus denying the obvious) but because it's a choice they want to make.
The problem is this: science is not the opposite of a tribe, just like the panda is not the opposite of the bicycle and the avocado isn't the opposite of the semicolon. Facts are different than choices. Tribes thrive when they connect and coordinate and synchronize. They work when they create a cultural connection. But they can't thrive when they merely embrace (or deny) the reality of the world around them.
06-16-2014 | 05:43 PM
#133
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You bring a very valid point. After driving the new PDK, we all liked it so much that we were willing to pay the $4xxx xxxtra
06-16-2014 | 06:14 PM
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it does suck that the PDK option is another $4k especially on the 991's where the gearbox is essentially the same component simply with different actuation mechanisms ...
06-16-2014 | 06:18 PM
#135
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In actual fact they should have charged more for manual as they had to put extra resources into modifying the PDK to a manual.