Saw my first C7 today
11-17-2013, 12:14 PM
#136
Three Wheelin'
After months of criticizing the exterior design of the C7 I finally saw one on the road yesterday. To my surprise it looked great. The color was a dark metallic red which helped tone down the lines of the rear lights. The front looked Ferrari- ish, and my least favorite angle was the side which still looked like a C6. It looked smaller on the highway than I expected and had a somewhat exotic sports car look to it. Changing my mind on appearance, I like it.
11-17-2013, 10:40 PM
#137
I think the under the skin engineering is very admirable, it is the skin I don't like.
Honestly, one thing I do not like at all are the black vent/gill covers all over the car. I couldn't figure out why I liked the car the best in black because it is not even my favorite color, but then realized it was because it hid the vent covers. GM could make an immediate improvement in the car if you could option the car with body colored vent/gill covers. I think it would soften the whole Transformers thing a bit.
Honestly, one thing I do not like at all are the black vent/gill covers all over the car. I couldn't figure out why I liked the car the best in black because it is not even my favorite color, but then realized it was because it hid the vent covers. GM could make an immediate improvement in the car if you could option the car with body colored vent/gill covers. I think it would soften the whole Transformers thing a bit.
11-18-2013, 09:56 PM
#138
Does anyone recall the refinements Porsche made to the 911 from 2001 to 2002? To most people the cars look exactly the same. But at one concours they were parked side by side and it was fun to walk around comparing and discovering that not one single body panel was the same! Hood, fender, bumper, all around every little bit tweaked here and there, like Michelangelo sculpting the David. Because, you see, that is all that is left to do when you are so very close to perfect. Just keep incrementally edging closer. That's how we get the magnificence of the 991.
Or, you can be the kid scribbling crayon on the fridge. Mom used to spank and end that but nowadays we all have to reward them for their creativity. Consequently they learn nothing, and grow up to become car designers at GM.
Or, you can be the kid scribbling crayon on the fridge. Mom used to spank and end that but nowadays we all have to reward them for their creativity. Consequently they learn nothing, and grow up to become car designers at GM.
11-18-2013, 11:18 PM
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A big Amen to that 
Very well said.
Very well said. Does anyone recall the refinements Porsche made to the 911 from 2001 to 2002? To most people the cars look exactly the same. But at one concours they were parked side by side and it was fun to walk around comparing and discovering that not one single body panel was the same! Hood, fender, bumper, all around every little bit tweaked here and there, like Michelangelo sculpting the David. Because, you see, that is all that is left to do when you are so very close to perfect. Just keep incrementally edging closer. That's how we get the magnificence of the 991.
Or, you can be the kid scribbling crayon on the fridge. Mom used to spank and end that but nowadays we all have to reward them for their creativity. Consequently they learn nothing, and grow up to become car designers at GM.
Or, you can be the kid scribbling crayon on the fridge. Mom used to spank and end that but nowadays we all have to reward them for their creativity. Consequently they learn nothing, and grow up to become car designers at GM.
11-19-2013, 12:17 AM
#140
Burning Brakes
Does anyone recall the refinements Porsche made to the 911 from 2001 to 2002? To most people the cars look exactly the same. But at one concours they were parked side by side and it was fun to walk around comparing and discovering that not one single body panel was the same! Hood, fender, bumper, all around every little bit tweaked here and there, like Michelangelo sculpting the David. Because, you see, that is all that is left to do when you are so very close to perfect. Just keep incrementally edging closer. That's how we get the magnificence of the 991.
Or, you can be the kid scribbling crayon on the fridge. Mom used to spank and end that but nowadays we all have to reward them for their creativity. Consequently they learn nothing, and grow up to become car designers at GM.
Or, you can be the kid scribbling crayon on the fridge. Mom used to spank and end that but nowadays we all have to reward them for their creativity. Consequently they learn nothing, and grow up to become car designers at GM.
11-19-2013, 12:50 AM
#141
Does anyone recall the refinements Porsche made to the 911 from 2001 to 2002? To most people the cars look exactly the same. But at one concours they were parked side by side and it was fun to walk around comparing and discovering that not one single body panel was the same! Hood, fender, bumper, all around every little bit tweaked here and there, like Michelangelo sculpting the David. Because, you see, that is all that is left to do when you are so very close to perfect. Just keep incrementally edging closer. That's how we get the magnificence of the 991.
Or, you can be the kid scribbling crayon on the fridge. Mom used to spank and end that but nowadays we all have to reward them for their creativity. Consequently they learn nothing, and grow up to become car designers at GM.
Or, you can be the kid scribbling crayon on the fridge. Mom used to spank and end that but nowadays we all have to reward them for their creativity. Consequently they learn nothing, and grow up to become car designers at GM.
Thanks I need a new keyboard.
11-19-2013, 12:37 PM
#142
Three Wheelin'
996 close to perfect? Seriously? I owned a 993 and a 997 but never considered a 996. In fact I don't think I ever stepped foot on a dealer lot during that era as I wanted no part of that ugly little buggy.
11-19-2013, 01:12 PM
#143
Still, looking at the overall design over time its darn near impossible to defend your view of the 996 being an "ugly little buggy." For sure it looks too much like the Boxster of the same era. Is the Boxster an "ugly little buggy"?
Be careful not to go too far for no good reason. Or you may find yourself one day admiring one of those truly ugly little buggies from GM.
11-19-2013, 01:40 PM
#144
Drifting
+911. The 996 has to be one of the least attractive, if not the least, of all 911's made. The sides of the car are just too flat. No shape to the car at all.
11-19-2013, 01:55 PM
#147
Burning Brakes
Personally, I felt this was important since the 911, in my opinion was (and still is) the "halo" car.
11-19-2013, 02:17 PM
#148
Three Wheelin'
And yes, an MT guy although I am PDK curious.
11-19-2013, 02:34 PM
#149
Well obviously Porsche made a big mistake using the same body on two very different models. But the other comments show people have a lot to learn about Porsche design history.
Unlike the crayon scribblers, Porsche puts their products through consistent model development. Go back and look at the early 911: same flat sides GSIRM3 complains about. Then over the years it developed into a wider track car eventually with monster Turbo fender flares. So the 993 comes out, whole car wider, same development. From this perspective the 996 was really no different than the early 911. And really, has no one noticed the 991 was introduced with fenders that now look minimal compared to what has followed with the C4 and Turbo? Nobody else in the automotive realm undertakes this sort of development anywhere near as far as Porsche, so I'm not surprised a lot of people haven't caught on. Its history after all, and people disdain history. But once you become aware its hard not to stand in awe.
Unlike the crayon scribblers, Porsche puts their products through consistent model development. Go back and look at the early 911: same flat sides GSIRM3 complains about. Then over the years it developed into a wider track car eventually with monster Turbo fender flares. So the 993 comes out, whole car wider, same development. From this perspective the 996 was really no different than the early 911. And really, has no one noticed the 991 was introduced with fenders that now look minimal compared to what has followed with the C4 and Turbo? Nobody else in the automotive realm undertakes this sort of development anywhere near as far as Porsche, so I'm not surprised a lot of people haven't caught on. Its history after all, and people disdain history. But once you become aware its hard not to stand in awe.
11-19-2013, 03:00 PM
#150
Drifting
Well obviously Porsche made a big mistake using the same body on two very different models. But the other comments show people have a lot to learn about Porsche design history.
Unlike the crayon scribblers, Porsche puts their products through consistent model development. Go back and look at the early 911: same flat sides GSIRM3 complains about. Then over the years it developed into a wider track car eventually with monster Turbo fender flares. So the 993 comes out, whole car wider, same development. From this perspective the 996 was really no different than the early 911. And really, has no one noticed the 991 was introduced with fenders that now look minimal compared to what has followed with the C4 and Turbo? Nobody else in the automotive realm undertakes this sort of development anywhere near as far as Porsche, so I'm not surprised a lot of people haven't caught on. Its history after all, and people disdain history. But once you become aware its hard not to stand in awe.
Unlike the crayon scribblers, Porsche puts their products through consistent model development. Go back and look at the early 911: same flat sides GSIRM3 complains about. Then over the years it developed into a wider track car eventually with monster Turbo fender flares. So the 993 comes out, whole car wider, same development. From this perspective the 996 was really no different than the early 911. And really, has no one noticed the 991 was introduced with fenders that now look minimal compared to what has followed with the C4 and Turbo? Nobody else in the automotive realm undertakes this sort of development anywhere near as far as Porsche, so I'm not surprised a lot of people haven't caught on. Its history after all, and people disdain history. But once you become aware its hard not to stand in awe.