If you had to pick one or the other...PSE or PDCC?
10-11-2012, 12:45 AM
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This car is built to recapture the best resale price, lol. I had exactly the same build, even the same color combo, maybe I also have the Porsche crest on headrest.
PDCC vs. PSE? In Walter Rohl's words: if you want to improve you Nurburgring lap time, go for the PDCC.
PDCC vs. PSE? In Walter Rohl's words: if you want to improve you Nurburgring lap time, go for the PDCC.
10-11-2012, 02:36 AM
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10-11-2012, 02:42 AM
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I'd choose PSE. And if you can stretch your budget just a few hundred extra you could add SPASM and get much of the handling benefit (not to mention a lower more sporty look) that you would have gotten with PDCC. BTW, you won't regret your choice of PDK......
10-11-2012, 02:48 AM
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Dag, not sure which part of that you're serious and which is not. Only thing I can tell for sure, watching your 'ring video, you're a driver. So maybe you can clarify which is the propaganda BS? It almost sounds like you're saying PDCC may improve performance but it takes exceptional skill to make it work that well? Also my impression (from reading, haven't driven yet) has been that the benefit of PDCC is not intended to be entirely lap-time oriented, but also comfort or ride oriented, due to the fact that PDCC allows the same or less body roll from a softer anti-roll bar.
10-11-2012, 05:40 AM
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Dag, not sure which part of that you're serious and which is not. Only thing I can tell for sure, watching your 'ring video, you're a driver. So maybe you can clarify which is the propaganda BS? It almost sounds like you're saying PDCC may improve performance but it takes exceptional skill to make it work that well? Also my impression (from reading, haven't driven yet) has been that the benefit of PDCC is not intended to be entirely lap-time oriented, but also comfort or ride oriented, due to the fact that PDCC allows the same or less body roll from a softer anti-roll bar.
you are right, and I am probably too narrow minded.
PDCC gives better comfort and ride. But since Porsche also states it will better a Ring time with 4 seconds, and Walter Röhrl says if you want to improve at the Ring, buy it, then it is a little misleading. If it takes racedriver skills to extract those 4 seconds, it would probably be a good thing to inform the consumers.
My friend has PDCC and he IS a racedriver, doing VLN races at the Ring. He also has a GT2RS. He is almost scared driving the PDCC car. Car twitches and behaves quite bad when pushing it. So bad that selling the car and buying one without PDCC is an option.
People go nuts when filling in the spec list when buing a Carrera S, and most people spend a small fortune on PDCC. Probably good for Porsche, but shouldnt they give much better information so people get the right product?
I really googled PDCC this winter before ordering a car, and managed to read between lines in those car tests that this was not for me. But most people do not manage to find out these things.
10-11-2012, 06:00 AM
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Hi Chuck,
you are right, and I am probably too narrow minded.
PDCC gives better comfort and ride. But since Porsche also states it will better a Ring time with 4 seconds, and Walter Röhrl says if you want to improve at the Ring, buy it, then it is a little misleading. If it takes racedriver skills to extract those 4 seconds, it would probably be a good thing to inform the consumers.
My friend has PDCC and he IS a racedriver, doing VLN races at the Ring. He also has a GT2RS. He is almost scared driving the PDCC car. Car twitches and behaves quite bad when pushing it. So bad that selling the car and buying one without PDCC is an option.
People go nuts when filling in the spec list when buing a Carrera S, and most people spend a small fortune on PDCC. Probably good for Porsche, but shouldnt they give much better information so people get the right product?
I really googled PDCC this winter before ordering a car, and managed to read between lines in those car tests that this was not for me. But most people do not manage to find out these things.
you are right, and I am probably too narrow minded.
PDCC gives better comfort and ride. But since Porsche also states it will better a Ring time with 4 seconds, and Walter Röhrl says if you want to improve at the Ring, buy it, then it is a little misleading. If it takes racedriver skills to extract those 4 seconds, it would probably be a good thing to inform the consumers.
My friend has PDCC and he IS a racedriver, doing VLN races at the Ring. He also has a GT2RS. He is almost scared driving the PDCC car. Car twitches and behaves quite bad when pushing it. So bad that selling the car and buying one without PDCC is an option.
People go nuts when filling in the spec list when buing a Carrera S, and most people spend a small fortune on PDCC. Probably good for Porsche, but shouldnt they give much better information so people get the right product?
I really googled PDCC this winter before ordering a car, and managed to read between lines in those car tests that this was not for me. But most people do not manage to find out these things.
I expect your pal knows more about cars than I do but it sounds like it needs a proper geo done.
10-11-2012, 06:11 AM
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This problem is known among Porsche test drivers by the way.
But could be the car can be bettered doing a proper geo.
10-11-2012, 08:54 AM
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PDCC and chrono. You'll still be able to feel even when your tires go warm. Drive it hard and you will know where you stand with the machine. Claims that the ride is not communicative with driving aggressively are completely false. Don't end of with regrets the way a few good people did back in 2005 when PASM first entered the scene, speaking as a former 997 owner with PASM. My 991 has PDCC and it has at least two aspects to it. Yes, it's more comfortable when driving in traffic. It is the obverse when I'm free and clear from traffic to run wild in either Sport or Sport Plus settings and driving the car to its limits. Just sayin'. 
10-11-2012, 09:26 AM
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Have a little Porsche suspension engineer sitting at the edge of your roll bar, aggressively, dynamically, and persistently adjusting it in real time to optimize tire contact as the car moves through the corner-- "a simple matter of programming" -- right? Having him explain what he is doing and getting the proper sympathetic response from the human "in real time" -- not so easy!
10-11-2012, 09:36 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Upd03eZjzIo
Check out what they say between 8.20 and 8.50
Im sure this is not black and white, different people, different needs and taste
Check out what they say between 8.20 and 8.50
Im sure this is not black and white, different people, different needs and taste
10-11-2012, 10:09 AM
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Insightful comments in that video, Dag. Great Spaghetti Western music at the end too!
Porsche technology is really so advanced they could write books about each option like PDCC. (PSE for that matter too.) Instead what you get is a couple sentences that in the case of PDCC boils down to hydraulic actuators reduce roll and improve ride comfort. That literally is about what their website says. Thanks for sharing this, really helps fill in the gaps.
Porsche technology is really so advanced they could write books about each option like PDCC. (PSE for that matter too.) Instead what you get is a couple sentences that in the case of PDCC boils down to hydraulic actuators reduce roll and improve ride comfort. That literally is about what their website says. Thanks for sharing this, really helps fill in the gaps.
10-11-2012, 10:29 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Upd03eZjzIo
Check out what they say between 8.20 and 8.50
Im sure this is not black and white, different people, different needs and taste
Check out what they say between 8.20 and 8.50
Im sure this is not black and white, different people, different needs and taste