Sports chrono
#16
According to them, PIWIS would be required. They'd provide an activation code, and that module they provide sounds like it'll force the code through instead of the roadblock we're all having when we buy a code separately and are unable to get it to work.
#17
According to AutoSvs you have to code some custom field with PIWIS, but apart from that it's Plug & Play.
My guess is they've found some unused data field, and have encrypted their device somehow to ensure someone doesn't just copy their code and duplicate it I bet it's something like an Arduino board with Dual-channel LIN interface..
I asked for installation instructions but was told I can't get a copy without buying. That's a bit suspicious.
I've tried asking for a group buy, but they will only shave a small amount off... I have also asked for special pricing in combination with publishing a detailed review. No luck whatsoever...
I have some photos of the unit which takes power from the push button unit, and piggybacks its LINBus. On the far side of the BKE you have to cut the LINBus line to the vehicle and put this unit in the middle. That's why I think they're stripping the 'Sport' code from the BKE output when SP+ is selected, and replacing it with 'Sport Plus'
I told them when nobody else in the US has experience with this unit, $1,300 is too much risk for me... the answer was "understood".
My guess is they've found some unused data field, and have encrypted their device somehow to ensure someone doesn't just copy their code and duplicate it I bet it's something like an Arduino board with Dual-channel LIN interface..
I asked for installation instructions but was told I can't get a copy without buying. That's a bit suspicious.
I've tried asking for a group buy, but they will only shave a small amount off... I have also asked for special pricing in combination with publishing a detailed review. No luck whatsoever...
I have some photos of the unit which takes power from the push button unit, and piggybacks its LINBus. On the far side of the BKE you have to cut the LINBus line to the vehicle and put this unit in the middle. That's why I think they're stripping the 'Sport' code from the BKE output when SP+ is selected, and replacing it with 'Sport Plus'
I told them when nobody else in the US has experience with this unit, $1,300 is too much risk for me... the answer was "understood".
#18
According to AutoSvs you have to code some custom field with PIWIS, but apart from that it's Plug & Play.
My guess is they've found some unused data field, and have encrypted their device somehow to ensure someone doesn't just copy their code and duplicate it I bet it's something like an Arduino board with Dual-channel LIN interface..
I asked for installation instructions but was told I can't get a copy without buying. That's a bit suspicious.
I've tried asking for a group buy, but they will only shave a small amount off... I have also asked for special pricing in combination with publishing a detailed review. No luck whatsoever...
I have some photos of the unit which takes power from the push button unit, and piggybacks its LINBus. On the far side of the BKE you have to cut the LINBus line to the vehicle and put this unit in the middle. That's why I think they're stripping the 'Sport' code from the BKE output when SP+ is selected, and replacing it with 'Sport Plus'
I told them when nobody else in the US has experience with this unit, $1,300 is too much risk for me... the answer was "understood".
My guess is they've found some unused data field, and have encrypted their device somehow to ensure someone doesn't just copy their code and duplicate it I bet it's something like an Arduino board with Dual-channel LIN interface..
I asked for installation instructions but was told I can't get a copy without buying. That's a bit suspicious.
I've tried asking for a group buy, but they will only shave a small amount off... I have also asked for special pricing in combination with publishing a detailed review. No luck whatsoever...
I have some photos of the unit which takes power from the push button unit, and piggybacks its LINBus. On the far side of the BKE you have to cut the LINBus line to the vehicle and put this unit in the middle. That's why I think they're stripping the 'Sport' code from the BKE output when SP+ is selected, and replacing it with 'Sport Plus'
I told them when nobody else in the US has experience with this unit, $1,300 is too much risk for me... the answer was "understood".
I feel a little wary that they're not interested in letting you do a detailed review. Hell i'd give you one for free, if you did a review and said this is a good product, they could easily sell 100+ units from all the people with sport chrono envy across Rennlist, Facebook, and the PCA groups.
Last edited by mwjackson92; 03-14-2024 at 02:43 PM.
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Jim981CS (03-14-2024)
#19
Hey Jim,
I've been digging into this fiasco for a quite a couple hours now and I do believe the BKE version is the issue. From version 2.1 - 2.3 Sport plus codable, then for 2.4 it is no longer codable.
Does your 981 have the 2.4 BKE version?
With how it is now I think there's a few possibilities but will take a while since money is an obstacle here lol
I've been digging into this fiasco for a quite a couple hours now and I do believe the BKE version is the issue. From version 2.1 - 2.3 Sport plus codable, then for 2.4 it is no longer codable.
Does your 981 have the 2.4 BKE version?
With how it is now I think there's a few possibilities but will take a while since money is an obstacle here lol
- Both Instrument Cluster & BKE can send a Sport Plus command - This means if I get Sport Chrono wheel, I'm likely able to trigger Sport Plus. Assuming this is the case.
- Looking at the function flow (very old from .1 models) the BKE sends the sport+ signal to turn on, the rest of the system receives that signal, then the module that can accept sport plus & will relay with sport+ is ON signal then the center console buttons light up. I don't see the reason why the ****/instrument cluster/klsm can't send that message, the **** already does that.
- Instrument Cluster sends BKE the Sport Plus command - Honestly SOL here.
- Flash with binary. idk how to do this, I tried to change the MCR no luck there
- Get an older AC unit. Probably works only for 9x1.1, not for .2
To clarify the price on the AutoSvs site is currently listed as $1499 plus $70 shipping. Count me in if someone can put together a group buy at a reasonable price.
Jim
#20
Let us know how this looks with some pics if possible once you get it installed. I've surprised you can't control the light intensity with the rest of the dash since it's tied into the communication bus on the car.
#21
As far as my research goes with PIWIS, I've gone and looked through the piwis folders, found the MCR (Coding rules), and found the firmware as well. I managed to acquire the bin files which contained 4 files. The flash driver, app 1, app 2, and data blocks. With that said, I can't make sense of the bin files. They don't look uncompressed, or encrypted like the ECUs, and they also have a part number in the bin files (which leads me to believe they're as raw as they get). I haven't ripped apart the AC unit yet to figure out what it's running on but if anyone has any info/advice that would be awesome.
I'm also a bit hesistant to use autosvs method as there is this method here that exist:
There's also another video, and both videos show both codes. With this method I don't see any retrofits with the yellow module. I've contacted clsautostyling and I'll update if there's anything there. In jest, there's only 16^8 combinations. Computers now can crack that!
I'm also a bit hesistant to use autosvs method as there is this method here that exist:
Last edited by McKlyde; 03-15-2024 at 01:51 AM.
#22
As far as my research goes with PIWIS, I've gone and looked through the piwis folders, found the MCR (Coding rules), and found the firmware as well. I managed to acquire the bin files which contained 4 files. The flash driver, app 1, app 2, and data blocks. With that said, I can't make sense of the bin files. They don't look uncompressed, or encrypted like the ECUs, and they also have a part number in the bin files (which leads me to believe they're as raw as they get). I haven't ripped apart the AC unit yet to figure out what it's running on but if anyone has any info/advice that would be awesome.
I'm also a bit hesistant to use autosvs method as there is this method here that exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZWVtIOX8M
There's also another video, and both videos show both codes. With this method I don't see any retrofits with the yellow module. I've contacted clsautostyling and I'll update if there's anything there. In jest, there's only 16^8 combinations. Computers now can crack that!
I'm also a bit hesistant to use autosvs method as there is this method here that exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZWVtIOX8M
There's also another video, and both videos show both codes. With this method I don't see any retrofits with the yellow module. I've contacted clsautostyling and I'll update if there's anything there. In jest, there's only 16^8 combinations. Computers now can crack that!
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Jim981CS (03-15-2024)
#24
Originally Posted by joserpaq;[url=tel:19328698
19328698[/url]]Here's another link to someone that was able to add it using PIWIS. I plan to tackle this at some point on my 991.1S as well. Where did you buy your SC clock? Did you get original or one of the kits they sell on ebay and amazon? If so how as the quality?
https://rennlist.com/forums/981-foru...ware-side.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/981-foru...ware-side.html
#26
I bought the sc aftermarket off of ebay. The material looks OK color looks to be the same looks and fits oem for me. The gauge light is a bit bright but it's not that bad.. I haggled with seller to get a lower price. The wire kit provided looks oem no wires need be cut. The hardest part was trying to remove the dash plate to put the Chrono in.
#29
I definately want to add the clock even if it's just for the look and time function and hopefully some other function if I can get coding worked out. I'm just not sure if I should go with amazon/ebay new Chinese solution or OEM used unit from 911 or other porsche. I read about the non OEM unit being too bright so I assume the OEM version gets brightness level from cars Canbus. If I decide to buy an OEM unit not sure which others would work like from 982, Macan or Cayenne.