Would you rather .1 or .2 GTS and why
#1
Would you rather .1 or .2 GTS and why
As the title says, I am in a conundrum and seeking some help from the experts. About to buy a GTS cabriolet and torn between a .1 and .2. In short, both are white, in great condition, and come to roughly a 20k piece difference when all said and done to get the .1 where I want it. I have always been a loud engine/exhaust guy which is pulling me toward the .1, but the .2 is loaded with all the goodies and lower mileage.
the details:
1) 2015 GTS Cab, white over black alcantara with carbon and white stitching/white edged seatbelts/white gts in headrests. Silver dials. PDK, PDLS+, Bose, prem pkg, parking sensors/cam. 27k miles. Tip top condition, but will need new pads/rotors/pins, plugs, fluid flush. Has not been through the 30k service or above. PPI came back clean. No warranty.
2) 2017 GTS 4 Cab, white over black leather / black everything (alcantara delete). This thing is loaded: PDK, PDLS+, rear axle steering, front axle lift, PDCC, prem pkg, AOC/PAS, LCA, leather seat backs, Porsche crest in headrests. Great condition. Certified CPO.
Decision time:
Money:
With the Fidelity warranty and maintenance on the .1, it comes to roughly a 20k difference. Will the .2 face less depreciation when the bubble bursts? Hmm
Features:
I love alcantara and strong exhausts. These two reasons are the main reasons I’m leaning .1. The .2 however is loaded and I’ve been told with all those features, especially the PDCC, it feels like it is on rails. The tech, of course, is also updated and more seamless. The .2 is also CPO with a strong service history and ahead of its service schedule.
HELP:
I cannot stop obsessing over this decision. Which would you buy and why?
THANK YOU!!!
the details:
1) 2015 GTS Cab, white over black alcantara with carbon and white stitching/white edged seatbelts/white gts in headrests. Silver dials. PDK, PDLS+, Bose, prem pkg, parking sensors/cam. 27k miles. Tip top condition, but will need new pads/rotors/pins, plugs, fluid flush. Has not been through the 30k service or above. PPI came back clean. No warranty.
2) 2017 GTS 4 Cab, white over black leather / black everything (alcantara delete). This thing is loaded: PDK, PDLS+, rear axle steering, front axle lift, PDCC, prem pkg, AOC/PAS, LCA, leather seat backs, Porsche crest in headrests. Great condition. Certified CPO.
Decision time:
Money:
With the Fidelity warranty and maintenance on the .1, it comes to roughly a 20k difference. Will the .2 face less depreciation when the bubble bursts? Hmm
Features:
I love alcantara and strong exhausts. These two reasons are the main reasons I’m leaning .1. The .2 however is loaded and I’ve been told with all those features, especially the PDCC, it feels like it is on rails. The tech, of course, is also updated and more seamless. The .2 is also CPO with a strong service history and ahead of its service schedule.
HELP:
I cannot stop obsessing over this decision. Which would you buy and why?
THANK YOU!!!
#2
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if you're not looking to flip the car, fully and completely stop caring or speculating about the depreciation.
if both are in the budget, I'd go with a .2 over a .1 just in general. much higher ceiling, and I don't like the engine lid or steering wheel on the .2. between the two you're looking at, the CPO + front axle lift are huge, huge bonus points to me.
if both are in the budget, I'd go with a .2 over a .1 just in general. much higher ceiling, and I don't like the engine lid or steering wheel on the .2. between the two you're looking at, the CPO + front axle lift are huge, huge bonus points to me.
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The .1 vs .2 debate for me comes
down to what are you going to use the car for, and where do you live? Mine is a DD on the relatively boring roads of South Florida, so the tech and creature comforts of the .2 win out. If I lived in the mountains and it was my weekend/fun car, I’d learn towards a .1.
down to what are you going to use the car for, and where do you live? Mine is a DD on the relatively boring roads of South Florida, so the tech and creature comforts of the .2 win out. If I lived in the mountains and it was my weekend/fun car, I’d learn towards a .1.
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As the title says, I am in a conundrum and seeking some help from the experts. About to buy a GTS cabriolet and torn between a .1 and .2. In short, both are white, in great condition, and come to roughly a 20k piece difference when all said and done to get the .1 where I want it. I have always been a loud engine/exhaust guy which is pulling me toward the .1, but the .2 is loaded with all the goodies and lower mileage.
the details:
1) 2015 GTS Cab, white over black alcantara with carbon and white stitching/white edged seatbelts/white gts in headrests. Silver dials. PDK, PDLS+, Bose, prem pkg, parking sensors/cam. 27k miles. Tip top condition, but will need new pads/rotors/pins, plugs, fluid flush. Has not been through the 30k service or above. PPI came back clean. No warranty.
2) 2017 GTS 4 Cab, white over black leather / black everything (alcantara delete). This thing is loaded: PDK, PDLS+, rear axle steering, front axle lift, PDCC, prem pkg, AOC/PAS, LCA, leather seat backs, Porsche crest in headrests. Great condition. Certified CPO.
Decision time:
Money:
With the Fidelity warranty and maintenance on the .1, it comes to roughly a 20k difference. Will the .2 face less depreciation when the bubble bursts? Hmm
Features:
I love alcantara and strong exhausts. These two reasons are the main reasons I’m leaning .1. The .2 however is loaded and I’ve been told with all those features, especially the PDCC, it feels like it is on rails. The tech, of course, is also updated and more seamless. The .2 is also CPO with a strong service history and ahead of its service schedule.
HELP:
I cannot stop obsessing over this decision. Which would you buy and why?
THANK YOU!!!
the details:
1) 2015 GTS Cab, white over black alcantara with carbon and white stitching/white edged seatbelts/white gts in headrests. Silver dials. PDK, PDLS+, Bose, prem pkg, parking sensors/cam. 27k miles. Tip top condition, but will need new pads/rotors/pins, plugs, fluid flush. Has not been through the 30k service or above. PPI came back clean. No warranty.
2) 2017 GTS 4 Cab, white over black leather / black everything (alcantara delete). This thing is loaded: PDK, PDLS+, rear axle steering, front axle lift, PDCC, prem pkg, AOC/PAS, LCA, leather seat backs, Porsche crest in headrests. Great condition. Certified CPO.
Decision time:
Money:
With the Fidelity warranty and maintenance on the .1, it comes to roughly a 20k difference. Will the .2 face less depreciation when the bubble bursts? Hmm
Features:
I love alcantara and strong exhausts. These two reasons are the main reasons I’m leaning .1. The .2 however is loaded and I’ve been told with all those features, especially the PDCC, it feels like it is on rails. The tech, of course, is also updated and more seamless. The .2 is also CPO with a strong service history and ahead of its service schedule.
HELP:
I cannot stop obsessing over this decision. Which would you buy and why?
THANK YOU!!!
.2 for the few reasons
I prefer the boosted motor with forged internals.
I prefer the ability to have untaped power. That is, I think it’s nice with a simple tune you can extract a tremendous amount of power out of the .2 motors. This is nice if you get bored with the experience of cars and want a change up without having to swap cars.
I prefer the updated LED lighting and 3D taillights.
Regardless both are great options. Good luck!
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The .1 vs .2 debate for me comes
down to what are you going to use the car for, and where do you live? Mine is a DD on the relatively boring roads of South Florida, so the tech and creature comforts of the .2 win out. It I lived in the mountains and it was my weekend/fun car, I’d learn towards a .1.
down to what are you going to use the car for, and where do you live? Mine is a DD on the relatively boring roads of South Florida, so the tech and creature comforts of the .2 win out. It I lived in the mountains and it was my weekend/fun car, I’d learn towards a .1.
#6
I bought a brand new 991.2 gts, did basically every mod to it, sold it for 991.1 gts and couldn't be happier. 991.1 is a much better driving experience and sound. If you want the fastest in a straight line go 991.2, if you want more of a driver's car 991.1 all the way.
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If I were you, I’d go 991.2 over 991.1. The engine of the 991.1 sounds nice, but the oomph of the 991.2 is pretty remarkable, plus with an APR tune it's a rocket, and if you want, you can easily take it to even higher levels from there.
Regarding exhaust sound, the OEM PSE on the 991.2 is kinda MEH, but if you upgrade the exhaust, plus add sport cats and/or headers, it sounds phenomenal. Can’t speak highly enough about my C4S with the Akrapovic Titanium exhaust & sport cats. Extremely powerful sound, and with the APR tune, it is a beast off the line.
Having driven a 991.1 Carrera and Carrera S on the track, power-wise they kind of pale in comparison. Lastly, the exterior and interior aesthetic refinements of the 991.2 make the 991.1 look somewhat outdated, plus the PCM Infotainment in the 991.2 is much nicer. There are folks who prefer the raw engine sound of the naturally-aspirated 991.1, but with the aforementioned enhancements, the 991.2 is in another league altogether. That’s the way I’d go..in fact, I already did!
Regarding exhaust sound, the OEM PSE on the 991.2 is kinda MEH, but if you upgrade the exhaust, plus add sport cats and/or headers, it sounds phenomenal. Can’t speak highly enough about my C4S with the Akrapovic Titanium exhaust & sport cats. Extremely powerful sound, and with the APR tune, it is a beast off the line.
Having driven a 991.1 Carrera and Carrera S on the track, power-wise they kind of pale in comparison. Lastly, the exterior and interior aesthetic refinements of the 991.2 make the 991.1 look somewhat outdated, plus the PCM Infotainment in the 991.2 is much nicer. There are folks who prefer the raw engine sound of the naturally-aspirated 991.1, but with the aforementioned enhancements, the 991.2 is in another league altogether. That’s the way I’d go..in fact, I already did!
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Interesting topic. I'm not sure if anyone has asked the question before, is a 991.1 GTS better than a 991.2 GTS?
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Undebatable: Steering, transmission, and shifter improved over the 991 generation.
Debatable: The heart and soul of what the engine produces, aurally, and how.
Drive them and feel what speaks to you. There are no bad 991s.
Debatable: The heart and soul of what the engine produces, aurally, and how.
Drive them and feel what speaks to you. There are no bad 991s.
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.2 all day
Driven both.
Voted with my wallet
Driven both.
Voted with my wallet
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I own a 991.2 GTS 4 cab. I was never sold on the 991.1 GTS having much advantage over a 991.1 S because the extra power came at very high RPMs. Useful when you're really pushing it, like on the track, but not something meaningful for daily driving, even if you're aggressive. Whereas a 991.2 GTS gets the extra power very early, around 2500 RPM. I had a 991.1 4S for about 18 months, and the 991.2 GTS is significantly better at acceleration.
I really like the mode dial on the steering wheel you get with a 991.2. Mode changes are a PITA when you have to look away from the road, as you do with a 991.1. Some people don't change modes, but I do, particularly in a PDK car. Sport+ is a lot more responsive, but it doesn't make a lot of sense in traffic. I know Auto Start isn't popular here, but I use it when I'm stuck in traffic, and that requires Normal mode.
You're getting Front Axle Lift with the 991.2. It's nice not to scrape the bottom of the car when an entrance is steep. My local grocery store has one that *will* scrape the bottom of my car if I don't have FAL engaged, so I use it regularly.
Lane Change Assist is a good safety feature for a cabriolet. Rear visibility isn't great if the top is up, and any extra warning that someone is in the adjacent lane is helpful. You still check mirrors and do headchecks, it's not a replacement for those, but it's one more alert. It also saves time if you're shifting left, since you can easily see the left indicator is saying "too early" without looking away from the road.
I really like the mode dial on the steering wheel you get with a 991.2. Mode changes are a PITA when you have to look away from the road, as you do with a 991.1. Some people don't change modes, but I do, particularly in a PDK car. Sport+ is a lot more responsive, but it doesn't make a lot of sense in traffic. I know Auto Start isn't popular here, but I use it when I'm stuck in traffic, and that requires Normal mode.
You're getting Front Axle Lift with the 991.2. It's nice not to scrape the bottom of the car when an entrance is steep. My local grocery store has one that *will* scrape the bottom of my car if I don't have FAL engaged, so I use it regularly.
Lane Change Assist is a good safety feature for a cabriolet. Rear visibility isn't great if the top is up, and any extra warning that someone is in the adjacent lane is helpful. You still check mirrors and do headchecks, it's not a replacement for those, but it's one more alert. It also saves time if you're shifting left, since you can easily see the left indicator is saying "too early" without looking away from the road.
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Totally different cars. Here’s the thing, the 991.2 has some clear improvements over the 991.1. But if you’re willing to throw some money into it you can close the gap on quite a bit.
1) Steering. The steering hardware is actually identical between 991.1 and 991.2. The differences in feel come down to both suspension and software. Upgraded suspension for the 991.1 and a more aggressive alignment make it much more direct feeling. But the 991.2 will always have a bit more feedback.
2) engine: the 991.2 is a turbo so the power band isn’t linear— you get torque and HP early. That means in city driving you’re going to have more usable power. But on windy roads where you can actually rev out the engine IMO the NA experience is superior. The .1 GTS is extremely fast on twisty roads and can happily keep pace with the 991.2’s. you just drive it differently.
3) infotainment: .2 has newer PCM which is honestly better than in the 992. But you can retrofit CarPlay in a .1.
they’re different cars entirely. Most of the people that dismiss the .1 GTS simply are never driving in a way where it makes sense for them. It’s a car that begs to be revved and driven hard to shine.
1) Steering. The steering hardware is actually identical between 991.1 and 991.2. The differences in feel come down to both suspension and software. Upgraded suspension for the 991.1 and a more aggressive alignment make it much more direct feeling. But the 991.2 will always have a bit more feedback.
2) engine: the 991.2 is a turbo so the power band isn’t linear— you get torque and HP early. That means in city driving you’re going to have more usable power. But on windy roads where you can actually rev out the engine IMO the NA experience is superior. The .1 GTS is extremely fast on twisty roads and can happily keep pace with the 991.2’s. you just drive it differently.
3) infotainment: .2 has newer PCM which is honestly better than in the 992. But you can retrofit CarPlay in a .1.
they’re different cars entirely. Most of the people that dismiss the .1 GTS simply are never driving in a way where it makes sense for them. It’s a car that begs to be revved and driven hard to shine.
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