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Old 03-05-2021, 12:47 PM
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First off - Ive got a 2014 with ~40k miles ... 2021-2014=7 that equals to about ~5500 miles a year...
(in my opinion this is a car thats been used half time...ie - i drove my car when I felt like it was fun .. its not a daily driver)

Ive also seen post saying you do not want a 2500 mile a year car because it has not been driven ...?....

I see so many posts that discourage higher milage cars - BUT - is ~5000 miles a year a bad thing.... serviced, maintained and driven ?

My opinion is that the car is taken care of and it drives and theres no problems and its reliable ...

I think - Dreaming of a 2-3k per year car might not be the best idea....

Thoughts ?

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I'm so glad you posted this. It's been rolling around my mind for a while now as well.
I have a '16 with 29,400. I bought it with just under 26k about a year and a half ago. I'm the 3rd owner and clearly I wasn't the one who put the majority of the miles on the car.

I try not to worry about mileage too much, but I know mine is considered "high" by many. And so admittedly, I do worry about the mileage and have been trying to get it back in line with what I'm gathering is considered to be "acceptable mileage." Which I would say is definitely no more than 5k/year and preferably closer to 2-3k per year.

I know that letting these cars sit isn't good either. I think you're going to a lot of answers like "Just drive it. It's a car after all. You bought it to enjoy". "Don't save it for the next guy." etc
But I do feel many of those same people don't practice what they preach either. In the end, you have to do what makes you happy. And if driving your car makes you happy and you're good with losing a little extra money by having a higher mileage vehicle in the end, you just have to go with that.
I'm trying to do both.. Drive it, but keep it at a level that won't rack on the miles excessively. So far I think I've found a good balance. It also helps that it's a 10-12 mile drive for me to just get into town.
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If you are selling your car, a buyer is always going to want one with lower miles, all other things being equal .

Those other thing are important though. If your car comes up clean as a whistle on a PPI, you're the only owner, and you can prove service history, you are in a great negotiating position. I have a lot of FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) even on Porsche CPO cars because it doesn't take a lot to pass that checklist.

If you're asking about reliability in general, these cars are pretty stout from what I have heard and I'm sure there are people on this board closing in on 100K without issue.

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There is a buyer for every car regardless of mileage just so the price is right.

I'm going to be able to sell mine to a high schooler who mows lawns when I'm done with it.
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Old 03-05-2021, 02:14 PM
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2017 with closing in on 31K miles - would have been considerably more had COVID not happened. I bought the car new and have always said I was not wealthy enough to have a garage queen that never gets used. The car is beautiful, I take very good care of it but it ain't art, though I know many choose to preserve their ride.

As has been said, I think there would be a buyer for virtually any car but I will obviously get less than a car with less miles, all else equal. My next P-car will probably be used so I can avoid the first part of depreciation and I would likely target a car 1-2 years old with say 10K miles per year without issue.
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Never "save" a car for the next owner!! It's not a investment, it's a toy, go and enjoy it!!
That being said, unless you have "high" miles (over 10k yr) or very "low" miles (under 1k a year) it really doesn't affect value.
Why not drive it a bit?

FWIW, I put 8kmi on my GT3 last year, and non of it was commuting. Most of it was spirited miles driving around Mt Rainier on some fun twisty mountain roads.
Much cheaper and much better then therapy.
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average drivers drive 12-15k miles a year

So in my opinion 5k a year would be low milage

BUT -- porsche buyers want a garage queen with ~3k a year....

And then to top it off -- "more miles more smiles" comments all around ...

Then post comments about if a car is not driven - problems will arise?

Its such BS!



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Originally Posted by afk
average drivers drive 12-15k miles a year

So in my opinion 5k a year would be low milage

BUT -- porsche buyers want a garage queen with ~3k a year....

And then to top it off -- "more miles more smiles" comments all around ...

Then post comments about if a car is not driven - problems will arise?

Its such BS!
It is a known fact that mileage effects the value of these cars.
I didn't realize the "weirdness" of car owners (as a group) until I got my C7. That's when I started seeing things like "I never drive my car in the rain" and the obsessively low mileage cars. It's almost turned into a status symbol of the wealthy to have a "just for a sunny Sunday, 4 times a year" car.
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@afk I interpreted your question not as "should I be worried having fun and piling on the miles" (see Corvette Thread where this is already playing out) but rather, "I'm actively trying to sell my car and I'm dealing with buyers who are trying to low ball me on price because of the miles I already put on" ... or something to that effect?

If so, the condition of the car matters most - that and your ability to prove that, while you may have driven it hard as intended on road and track, you at least serviced it and didn't cover up a massive accident with a cheap off-carfax repair.

You should ask your prospective buyer if they are confident in the service history and general history of the other cars they are looking at. In my experience dealers will CPO most anything, and you won't get answers about previous owners or service history either in most cases.

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Originally Posted by ducktails
@afk I interpreted your question not as "should I be worried having fun and piling on the miles" (see Corvette Thread where this is already playing out) but rather, "I'm trying to sell my car and I'm dealing with buyers who are trying to low ball me on price because of the miles I already put on" ... or something to that effect?
Yes -- !!!

Its low milage and has been taken care of ... WTF
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would you rather have a car taken care of - or one that sat in the garage on a battery tender ?

Its so so ridiculous.
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a great example

Originally Posted by gasman11
Hi All,

I'm in the market to purchase my first ever Porsche 911! I'm looking at 2014-2016 911 Carreras with roughly 20k mileage that are certified approved with the Porsche dealerships.

Any advice on things to look out for, what other information I should gather besides the car fax report? Any advice appreciated!
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Originally Posted by afk
would you rather have a car taken care of - or one that sat in the garage on a battery tender ?

Its so so ridiculous.
My car has 24K miles, '15 GTS and sits in the garage with battery tender.. It is ALSO extremely well taken care and service is beyond up to date..

to each his own.. what makes a low mileage car "neglected is the same attribute that makes a high mileage car "neglected, that attribute is the Owner..
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I read somwehere that sports cars like the 911 and the Corvette are some of the least driven cars whereas utilitarian trucks and SUVs get driven the most. Makes sense to me. The 5k miles per year for the 911 seems fairly typical but there are certainly outliers as others will be quick to point out based on their usage. I am averaging ~5k a year. I drive me car regularly but don't do long highway drives on a regular basis to rack up the miles. Certainly the mileage on used 911s at the local dealer tells me that these cars get driven even less than 5k miles per year. There are always exceptions.
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FWIW. I just bought a 2018 CS2 with 26K mi. It does seem higher miles than others on the market but it is also priced lower. The great thing about these 911 is they can be driven regularly as a commuter, as opposed to let’s say a Ferrari. Of course if you’re one of the lucky ones where money is no object, any car can be a commuter.

I’m happy to get into a P-car and one that someone else took the initial depreciation. To put things into perspective I bought a MX-5 RF new and put less than 3k miles on it over 2 years before I traded it in for the P-car. I look forward to driving the p-car way more than the RF.

Life is too short to be bothered about how many miles you’ll put on the car. All I know is I smile every time I hear that flat-6 rumble. Carpe Diem!


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