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Old 03-17-2019, 09:27 PM
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https://www.autoquestcars.com/custom-11

These people are the US importers for Surface Transforms Carbon Ceramic rotors, they are about 1/2 the cost of OEM.

Many track guys use them with very good results - check the threads in the 997 & 991 GT3, GT3 RS sections.

Also, they can be refurbished several times due to their different manufacturing process compared to the SGL / Brembo PCCB's.
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Old 03-18-2019, 03:15 PM
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As some members send me a pm to share the part numbers for PCCBs for a 991.2 i would recomend to contact your dealer. As Porsche drivers we should respect our cars and not rely on forum information for critical car part numbers. I cannot guarrantee that part numbers are same for different continents and i do not want to mislead any forum member.

My experience with PCCB upgrade is that 70% of the cost are the carbon ceramic disks.

A reasonable cost to upgrade to PCCBs after you purschase your car is usually 40% higher than you order your car with PCCB.

There are various options to upgrade to PCCBs as below.
1) Buy everything new from your dealer. Cost 40K USD. Someone has to be crazy to follow this option.
2) Buy a PCCB full kit from ebay around 15-20K USD. It is not easy to find a brand new kit. As mentioned above GT cars PCCBs are different that Turbo, GTS PCCBs. Different Offsets.
3) Buy PCCB yellow calipers and all small required parts from your dealer and after market Carbon ceramic disks. Cost same as option 2 but you can buy immediately.
4) Buy Used PCCB kit with lower cost that option 2,3 but do not expect to find something less than 12K USD.

As soon as you go PCCB you Will never go back to steel brakes. Therefore you can Sell your Big Red Brakes for any 991 Base or T model and minimize the loss of the non ordering PCCB from your initial order.

PS. I have an almost New (1.000 miles) Big Red Brakes kit (disks, calipers, pads, pump) from my MY2019 GTS for sale. I will post it soon in the clasified section.


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Old 03-19-2019, 10:30 AM
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Thanks all for trying to help. I have run into a problem and am trying to resolve it but I may have to cancel the planned upgrade: https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1134378
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 4 Point 0 View Post
We were at the track last month and every time he hit the brakes down the straight, I almost ran up the back of him. I was having to brake 50metres earlier.
Same for the street. With PCCB, you automatically look in your rear view mirror as soon as you brake so you can judge whether or not you're about to be run in to. PCCB is THE option that should be automatic on every car ordered. Although it usually does force you to opt for yellow seat belts too.

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Old 03-19-2019, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Z. View Post
Thanks all for trying to help. I have run into a problem and am trying to resolve it but I may have to cancel the planned upgrade: https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1134378
As long as the parts fit, I would think you should be able to get a shop to help you. I cant imagine it would be too dificult of a job, assuming no issues in fitment. Hold off on selling them and find you somewhere. I have been deaing with a month long process upgrading my brakes as well and I understand the frustration. I have rear pads from race technologies that all the GT guys say dont squeal yet they do on GTS rear and loud! I am a dump truck rolling through town right now. I have some stock rear pads I am going to swap for street on the way from suncoast and should be in the clear soon. Stick it out! You are almost there, so just hold out a little longer. Ask around for recommendations of independent shops in your area and I am sure you will find an installer that has time.
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:28 PM
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Thanks for the encouragement (and Sid as well!). I am talking to another shop now to see if they can squeeze me in when the PCCBs arrive; however, they are telling me I need a new master cylinder! I still find it hard to believe that coming up with a list of parts is so difficult but I think it may be due to Porsche changing part#s of the same part on different cars.
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Old 03-19-2019, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Z. View Post
Thanks for the encouragement (and Sid as well!). I am talking to another shop now to see if they can squeeze me in when the PCCBs arrive; however, they are telling me I need a new master cylinder! I still find it hard to believe that coming up with a list of parts is so difficult but I think it may be due to Porsche changing part#s of the same part on different cars.
Very true Bob, plus Porsche is very reluctant to share information when it comes to a complete list of parts. I know first hand because I have the emails responses from their parts department. I too have been researching a possible brake/rotor upgrade for my coupe. I believe I have a potential solution at hand. I also learned the 50th when PCCBs were ordered from the factory only came in 350mm (F&R) and not (410mm front and 390mm rear) like other models.
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Old 03-19-2019, 09:57 PM
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What type of list do you have compiled so far? I would assume some pretty big spacers for caliper bolts and much longer caliper bolts are on that list?
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JSETarga View Post
What type of list do you have compiled so far? I would assume some pretty big spacers for caliper bolts and much longer caliper bolts are on that list?
All the parts required to install PCCBs are OEM parts coming from the factory directly.
Yes spacers for Calipers required (this is normal is all cars equiped with PCCBs) and longer calipers bolts.
There is no any after market part that is required. Everything comes directly from the factory.
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We have those calipers bolts and adaptors if someone need them. They are must for Carreras and Turbos.
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:59 AM
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Yes, the required parts are OEM and here is a list from Sunset that should be close and the second list is from the installer. I also included a couple pics of the calipers that the seller sent me, which have some of the items such as the wear sensors. As a reminder, I am also getting the rotors:

Sunset Porsche List:

1 999-067-054-09 PAN-HEAD SCRE 2 2 12.84
FRONT CAL. BOLT
2 N-911-837-01 SCREW 12X115 2 2 4.00
REAR CAL. BOLT
3 991-351-805-03 COVER PANEL 1 1 67.74
4 991-351-806-03 COVER PANEL 1 1 67.74
5 991-355-581-05 AS BRAKE LINE 1 1 19.45
FL BRAKE LINE
6 991-355-582-05 AS BRAKE LINE 1 1 19.45
FR BRAKE LINE
7 991-355-189-54 AS BRAKE LINE 1 1 67.68
LR BRAKE LINE
8 991-355-190-62 AS BRAKE LINE 1 1 40.70
RR BRAKE LINE
9 9P1-611-315 ADAPTER 2 2 172.42
FRONT ADAPTER
10 999-073-313-09 ROUND HEAD SC 4 4 10.61
ADAPTER BOLTS
11 991-609-181-00 BRAKE WEAR IN 2 2 36.22
FRONT SENSORS
12 991-351-961-01 CONNECTING LI 1 1 42.48
FL CONNECTING LINE
13 991-351-962-01 CONNECTING LI 1 1 42.48
FR CONNECTING LINE
14 8A0-615-273 VENTILATION V 4 4 9.45
FRONT BREATHER VALVE
15 971-698-995-B SPRING 2 2 32.43
REAR SPRING CLIP

Installer List:

Cover Plate QTY1 991 351 805 01
Cover plate QTY1 997 351 806 01
Sender wire QTY2 991 609 181 00
Cap screw QTY4 999 067 054 09
Adapter QTY2 997 351 505 04
Flat screw QTY4 999 073 313 09
Cover plate QTY1 991 352 805 02
Cover plate Qty1 991 352 806 02
Cap screw QTY4 N 911 837 01
Brake line QTY1 991 355 581 05
Brake line QTY1 991 355 582 05
Brake line QTY1 9P1 614 771 B
Brake line QTY1 9P1 614 772 B
hose Bracket QTY1 9P1 614 843 B
hose bracket QTY1 9P1 614 844 B



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Old 03-20-2019, 11:45 AM
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I just looked at the front page of today's paper and it appears I was sent another sign of encouragement:


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Old 03-20-2019, 11:49 AM
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Yeah I dont think you can ignore that one!
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:58 PM
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No changes to the master cylinder or booster are required?
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Old 03-20-2019, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Valvefloat991 View Post
No changes to the master cylinder or booster are required?
Master cylinder is the same and the booster is up for debate: most parts places so no (e.g., Sunset) but a few others say yes. The seller of the kit in Germany said it is not needed and others he has sold kits to have not changed it. I think it may just affect the pedal range and if that is it I will be fine without changing it.
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