Drive in the Carrera T
04-14-2019 | 12:00 AM
#196
Drifting
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Equal length tubular headers do a good job of giving the 991.2 more exhaust character. The stock log, double-walled, header does a good job of making it sound muddy. Just two peoples' experiences:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1102...l#post15349903
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1138...l#post15771623
And I'm with you on cats. I run and bike and breathing crappy exhaust fumes sucks.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1102...l#post15349903
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1138...l#post15771623
And I'm with you on cats. I run and bike and breathing crappy exhaust fumes sucks.
04-14-2019 | 09:26 AM
#197
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From: Chitown, USA
I cant stand the rotten eggs smell. I was worried with 200 cell cats but they work perfectly. Doesnt smell any different from my wifes macan. The best part about catless for me is the mini fireballs that pop out in sport mode.... so awesome!
10-20-2019 | 08:06 PM
#202
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From: Colorado
Strongly considering getting a Carrera T.
Never gave the car any mind, until a I did a 90 minute session @ PECLA in one. Wow I beat on that car harder than any 911 I ever drove and walked away impressed.
With the right mods, a modern day understated Hot-rod.
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10-20-2019 | 08:39 PM
#203
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From: CT
I was fortunate to have a Carrera T all day yesterday that my dealer loaned me while they were doing the oil change on my GT3. I was pretty excited for the chance to drive the car that so many people from the earlier comparison reviews had raved about.
The thing that honestly stuck out most... The difference between Bose in my GT3 Touring and the stock audio system that the T had is night and day. After hearing so many people claim on these forums the difference was negligible I was surprised how inferior the stock system was. All I can think to explain it is that with the average 911 buyer age being 52, a lot of people must have hearing loss by that point in their lives. If you're torn between getting the relatively cheap Bose option or not and you like sound quality, definitely check the box. I now see the claims that there isn't much difference between the two as beyond laughable - especially at higher noise levels.
The best part about the T was knowing that I was abusing someone else's car so I wasn't afraid to drive it like I stole it. I got up to 270 kmph on the autobahn at which point it chirped some notification I didn't understand in German at me
- Engine. The Carrera T engine simply doesn't have the emotion of the 4.0 motor. Honestly, it sounds synthetic and even going up to 270 kmph it never sounded what I would call good. There's some nice induction noises but overall the motor sounds significantly worse than even my 991.1 S did.
- Acceleration. I was pleasantly surprised by how hard the Carrera T pulled from a stop. Honestly it didn't feel much, if any slower than the GT3 while I drove it on the street, probably due to the turbo and torque.
- Gearbox. The gearbox was pleasantly surprising. I never used 7th gear and honestly didn't really even notice it was there. The clutch and gear shift pattern felt instantly similar to the GT3 and while the spacing might be a bit closer, I didn't notice it only driving on the street.
- Steering. It felt a little more numb than the GT3 but this might be my imagination.
- Suspension. The car felt very stable all the way to the speeds I reached. Maybe a tad bit more float than a GT3 but a tad bit more comfort as well.
- Brakes. Good enough for the autobahn.
Overall = the Carrera T is a disappointing car showing the sad direction the new 911's all seem to be taking. The Carrera T would never find it's way to my garage, even in a world where the GT3 didn't exist. It was simply too pedestrian looking, too pedestrian sounding and honestly lacked the emotion you get driving an older Porsche or a GT3. Further, it didn't feel that much more comfortable. I'm confident I could daily drive my GT3 in 99% of the situations I could daily drive the Carrera T in. The T isn't a car that you get to supplement your GT3 as a daily driver, it's another toy that you buy - probably because you don't have a GT3. ...only you get bored with this toy a couple of days after Christmas and then don't bother to ask your parents to buy you some new batteries.
Regardless of what they try to label it, it's still a 991.2 with a Carrera turbo motor put in there to satisfy emission purposes and I can't help but think the comparison reviewers gave it a better shake than it deserved because of all the access and free fun Porsche gave them. Give me a paid trip to test out the next product with Walter Rohrl and I promise to have a higher opinion too!
The thing that honestly stuck out most... The difference between Bose in my GT3 Touring and the stock audio system that the T had is night and day. After hearing so many people claim on these forums the difference was negligible I was surprised how inferior the stock system was. All I can think to explain it is that with the average 911 buyer age being 52, a lot of people must have hearing loss by that point in their lives. If you're torn between getting the relatively cheap Bose option or not and you like sound quality, definitely check the box. I now see the claims that there isn't much difference between the two as beyond laughable - especially at higher noise levels.
The best part about the T was knowing that I was abusing someone else's car so I wasn't afraid to drive it like I stole it. I got up to 270 kmph on the autobahn at which point it chirped some notification I didn't understand in German at me
- Engine. The Carrera T engine simply doesn't have the emotion of the 4.0 motor. Honestly, it sounds synthetic and even going up to 270 kmph it never sounded what I would call good. There's some nice induction noises but overall the motor sounds significantly worse than even my 991.1 S did.
- Acceleration. I was pleasantly surprised by how hard the Carrera T pulled from a stop. Honestly it didn't feel much, if any slower than the GT3 while I drove it on the street, probably due to the turbo and torque.
- Gearbox. The gearbox was pleasantly surprising. I never used 7th gear and honestly didn't really even notice it was there. The clutch and gear shift pattern felt instantly similar to the GT3 and while the spacing might be a bit closer, I didn't notice it only driving on the street.
- Steering. It felt a little more numb than the GT3 but this might be my imagination.
- Suspension. The car felt very stable all the way to the speeds I reached. Maybe a tad bit more float than a GT3 but a tad bit more comfort as well.
- Brakes. Good enough for the autobahn.
Overall = the Carrera T is a disappointing car showing the sad direction the new 911's all seem to be taking. The Carrera T would never find it's way to my garage, even in a world where the GT3 didn't exist. It was simply too pedestrian looking, too pedestrian sounding and honestly lacked the emotion you get driving an older Porsche or a GT3. Further, it didn't feel that much more comfortable. I'm confident I could daily drive my GT3 in 99% of the situations I could daily drive the Carrera T in. The T isn't a car that you get to supplement your GT3 as a daily driver, it's another toy that you buy - probably because you don't have a GT3. ...only you get bored with this toy a couple of days after Christmas and then don't bother to ask your parents to buy you some new batteries.
Regardless of what they try to label it, it's still a 991.2 with a Carrera turbo motor put in there to satisfy emission purposes and I can't help but think the comparison reviewers gave it a better shake than it deserved because of all the access and free fun Porsche gave them. Give me a paid trip to test out the next product with Walter Rohrl and I promise to have a higher opinion too!
10-20-2019 | 09:00 PM
#204
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From: Houston
Note, this is an old thread that started in the 991 GT3 forum and most of the earlier comments are from GT3 owners. Ceepe said it well and we know by know the T is well respected.
the Carrera T at car and driver lightening lap, the T is 6 seconds behind a 2018 GT3 and 3 seconds behind a 991.1 GT3. This is on lesser tires.
nice hp and torque curves in post #126 shows what the 3.0 motor potential. Wonder what the T would do with a $1500 tune and stickier tires.
the Carrera T at car and driver lightening lap, the T is 6 seconds behind a 2018 GT3 and 3 seconds behind a 991.1 GT3. This is on lesser tires.
nice hp and torque curves in post #126 shows what the 3.0 motor potential. Wonder what the T would do with a $1500 tune and stickier tires.
Last edited by Norge911; 10-20-2019 at 09:23 PM.
10-24-2019 | 04:02 PM
#205
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"The T isn't a car that you get to supplement your GT3 as a daily driver, it's another toy that you buy - probably because you don't have a GT3"
That statement above is what I think a bunch of new 911 owners think.. They only feel like the GT3 is the only car in the lineup that makes any sense, but yet they'll never even touch 80% of the cars capabilities.
I have friends who track and are amazing drivers and they say you'll never reach the potential of a GT car on the streets. This is why guys get GT3's and suddenly realize they're in over their heads in payments, and no where to drive their track focused GT cars. This is why there are over 300 used GT3's on the Porsche USA website. $1500/mo payments add up quick when you bought too much car for Instagram photos. Pretty sure PDK has to do with the amount of used cars, but I'm guessing it also has to deal with people only focusing on GT3's as their entry to Porchse and realizing it's too much car for them. I know guys with 964RS, GT3 track builds and they say base Carrera is one of the funnest cars. Hell some of them are looking for PDK 991.1/2 carreras to drive around.
That above statement is just one of someone who values the materialism of the car versus the driving experience, and probably views the car as an investment.
I was just telling my close friend with a 997.2 GT3 that we don't need GT3's to feel the Porsche experience. You could easily get a Carrera S/4S/GTS and have an amazing time as a DD and spirited drives.
GT3 to Carrera T is totally apples versus oranges.They were 2 cars with two totally different purposes and focus.
That statement above is what I think a bunch of new 911 owners think.. They only feel like the GT3 is the only car in the lineup that makes any sense, but yet they'll never even touch 80% of the cars capabilities.
I have friends who track and are amazing drivers and they say you'll never reach the potential of a GT car on the streets. This is why guys get GT3's and suddenly realize they're in over their heads in payments, and no where to drive their track focused GT cars. This is why there are over 300 used GT3's on the Porsche USA website. $1500/mo payments add up quick when you bought too much car for Instagram photos. Pretty sure PDK has to do with the amount of used cars, but I'm guessing it also has to deal with people only focusing on GT3's as their entry to Porchse and realizing it's too much car for them. I know guys with 964RS, GT3 track builds and they say base Carrera is one of the funnest cars. Hell some of them are looking for PDK 991.1/2 carreras to drive around.
That above statement is just one of someone who values the materialism of the car versus the driving experience, and probably views the car as an investment.
I was just telling my close friend with a 997.2 GT3 that we don't need GT3's to feel the Porsche experience. You could easily get a Carrera S/4S/GTS and have an amazing time as a DD and spirited drives.
GT3 to Carrera T is totally apples versus oranges.They were 2 cars with two totally different purposes and focus.
10-24-2019 | 04:20 PM
#206
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 480
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From: UK
"The T isn't a car that you get to supplement your GT3 as a daily driver, it's another toy that you buy - probably because you don't have a GT3"
That statement above is what I think a bunch of new 911 owners think.. They only feel like the GT3 is the only car in the lineup that makes any sense, but yet they'll never even touch 80% of the cars capabilities.
I have friends who track and are amazing drivers and they say you'll never reach the potential of a GT car on the streets. This is why guys get GT3's and suddenly realize they're in over their heads in payments, and no where to drive their track focused GT cars. This is why there are over 300 used GT3's on the Porsche USA website. $1500/mo payments add up quick when you bought too much car for Instagram photos. Pretty sure PDK has to do with the amount of used cars, but I'm guessing it also has to deal with people only focusing on GT3's as their entry to Porchse and realizing it's too much car for them. I know guys with 964RS, GT3 track builds and they say base Carrera is one of the funnest cars. Hell some of them are looking for PDK 991.1/2 carreras to drive around.
That above statement is just one of someone who values the materialism of the car versus the driving experience, and probably views the car as an investment.
I was just telling my close friend with a 997.2 GT3 that we don't need GT3's to feel the Porsche experience. You could easily get a Carrera S/4S/GTS and have an amazing time as a DD and spirited drives.
GT3 to Carrera T is totally apples versus oranges.They were 2 cars with two totally different purposes and focus.
That statement above is what I think a bunch of new 911 owners think.. They only feel like the GT3 is the only car in the lineup that makes any sense, but yet they'll never even touch 80% of the cars capabilities.
I have friends who track and are amazing drivers and they say you'll never reach the potential of a GT car on the streets. This is why guys get GT3's and suddenly realize they're in over their heads in payments, and no where to drive their track focused GT cars. This is why there are over 300 used GT3's on the Porsche USA website. $1500/mo payments add up quick when you bought too much car for Instagram photos. Pretty sure PDK has to do with the amount of used cars, but I'm guessing it also has to deal with people only focusing on GT3's as their entry to Porchse and realizing it's too much car for them. I know guys with 964RS, GT3 track builds and they say base Carrera is one of the funnest cars. Hell some of them are looking for PDK 991.1/2 carreras to drive around.
That above statement is just one of someone who values the materialism of the car versus the driving experience, and probably views the car as an investment.
I was just telling my close friend with a 997.2 GT3 that we don't need GT3's to feel the Porsche experience. You could easily get a Carrera S/4S/GTS and have an amazing time as a DD and spirited drives.
GT3 to Carrera T is totally apples versus oranges.They were 2 cars with two totally different purposes and focus.
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