PCCB
#31
RL Community Team
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So the decision not to run with ceramic rotors has nothing to do with performance and more to do with complying with the rules.
#32
Instructor
What about noise? I’ll track mine maybe once a year just for fun and wouldn’t push he capabilities of the steel brakes much less the PCCB’s. Mine will be street driven and daily at that. Dust is an annoyance but not a deal killer for me. But brake squeal drives me crazy in a daily driver. So which is better for that? Guessing the steel brakes are quieter but would like to hear from those that have actual experience with both.
#33
Rocky Mountain High
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I've owned 911s with steel brakes and with PCCB. I haven't noticed a significant difference in terms of noise or brake squeal. My PCCBs are completely quiet 99% of the time. There are two hills in my town where there will be a very slight squeal, at certain speeds. It's very unusual.
#34
Race Car
What about noise? I’ll track mine maybe once a year just for fun and wouldn’t push he capabilities of the steel brakes much less the PCCB’s. Mine will be street driven and daily at that. Dust is an annoyance but not a deal killer for me. But brake squeal drives me crazy in a daily driver. So which is better for that? Guessing the steel brakes are quieter but would like to hear from those that have actual experience with both.
Others may post the opposite but in my experience the PCCBs never squeaked but my steels did. YMMV.
#35
Overpriced Porsche option and 100% depreciation, but nice.
Have fun:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...91-gt3-16.html
Have fun:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...91-gt3-16.html
#37
Race Director
Originally Posted by good2go
A car is depreciating asset. I don't include cars in my net worth.
You asked the question and brought up "cost" ... if you don't care about the $$, order them and move on. What's the hesitation and reason for the thread??
Cars depreciate?? You don't say ... if so wise, you'd read up on the 100's of posts in other threads that answer your questions
#38
I can see not many people add on PCCB. I had people tell me not to get them. I wanted to know if it was cost or performance.
This thread has made it clear, if you can afford them they are better breaks.
Thanks for sharing in this thread.
#39
Race Director
Originally Posted by good2go
Touched a nerve?
I can see not many people add on PCCB. I had people tell me not to get them. I wanted to know if it was cost or performance.
This thread has made it clear, if you can afford them they are better breaks.
Thanks for sharing in this thread.
I can see not many people add on PCCB. I had people tell me not to get them. I wanted to know if it was cost or performance.
This thread has made it clear, if you can afford them they are better breaks.
Thanks for sharing in this thread.
First of all it's "brakes" ...
Have NEVER heard anyone complain about PCCB other than rocks getting caught in oversized calipers and too small of clearance with wheel barrels.
You don't see them on builds much because of the COST and risk of replacing a rotor. Many don't see the value and they are an option that depreciates 100%. Now for big ballers who don't care, order them and enjoy them. I like them and would order them on a new car.
For street use, pads and rotors will last life of car. Doesn't matter much as most guys don't keep cars long. Bigger concern I'd have is buying an older PCCB pre-owned car.
#40
No nerve. Just using common sense ..
First of all it's "brakes" ...
Have NEVER heard anyone complain about PCCB other than rocks getting caught in oversized calipers and too small of clearance with wheel barrels.
You don't see them on builds much because of the COST and risk of replacing a rotor. Many don't see the value and they are an option that depreciates 100%. Now for big ballers who don't care, order them and enjoy them. I like them and would order them on a new car.
For street use, pads and rotors will last life of car. Doesn't matter much as most guys don't keep cars long. Bigger concern I'd have is buying an older PCCB pre-owned car.
First of all it's "brakes" ...
Have NEVER heard anyone complain about PCCB other than rocks getting caught in oversized calipers and too small of clearance with wheel barrels.
You don't see them on builds much because of the COST and risk of replacing a rotor. Many don't see the value and they are an option that depreciates 100%. Now for big ballers who don't care, order them and enjoy them. I like them and would order them on a new car.
For street use, pads and rotors will last life of car. Doesn't matter much as most guys don't keep cars long. Bigger concern I'd have is buying an older PCCB pre-owned car.
#41
Race Car
No nerve. Just using common sense ..
First of all it's "brakes" ...
Have NEVER heard anyone complain about PCCB other than rocks getting caught in oversized calipers and too small of clearance with wheel barrels.
You don't see them on builds much because of the COST and risk of replacing a rotor. Many don't see the value and they are an option that depreciates 100%. Now for big ballers who don't care, order them and enjoy them. I like them and would order them on a new car.
For street use, pads and rotors will last life of car. Doesn't matter much as most guys don't keep cars long. Bigger concern I'd have is buying an older PCCB pre-owned car.
First of all it's "brakes" ...
Have NEVER heard anyone complain about PCCB other than rocks getting caught in oversized calipers and too small of clearance with wheel barrels.
You don't see them on builds much because of the COST and risk of replacing a rotor. Many don't see the value and they are an option that depreciates 100%. Now for big ballers who don't care, order them and enjoy them. I like them and would order them on a new car.
For street use, pads and rotors will last life of car. Doesn't matter much as most guys don't keep cars long. Bigger concern I'd have is buying an older PCCB pre-owned car.
I would only be concerned with buying a used car with PCCBs if it was obvious that it had a lot of track use. If an inspection noted that they were in great condition, I wouldn't worry.
Now a 100k mile car, that might be another thing...but I don't really look at buying (or selling) a car with that many miles.
(I still don't think they depreciate 100 percent, though - they are still a desired option to many.)
#42
Never heard a peep, I mean squeak from my PCCBs. I agree with all the pros mentioned above, and I will add that they also come in handy f you ever find yourself in a mine are bigger than yours contest.
#43
Rennlist Member
I have them and love them. For me it is noticeable between Porsche steel brakes. Took me sometime to get used to the PCCB's but now I really like them. I don't track anymore so they will last longer than I will. Have not found a downside.
#44
Rennlist Member
Used to think they were necessary in the standard 991.2 Carrera due to experiences with smelly brakes where a .1 or previous Carreras would not have had smelly brakes. Now seeing some indications that that car and another may have had brakes that simply weren't bedded in—as a T recently stood up to a real pounding with no issue.
So, buy them for performance, immediacy/feel, looks, lack of dust, etc. I am not sure they are needed, but I am sure they are some of the best brakes ever bolted to an automobile. I wouldn't order them on a track car, but I'd order them again on a street car. YMMV...
So, buy them for performance, immediacy/feel, looks, lack of dust, etc. I am not sure they are needed, but I am sure they are some of the best brakes ever bolted to an automobile. I wouldn't order them on a track car, but I'd order them again on a street car. YMMV...
#45
Are the PCCB same across all 911 model ranges or are they different?