View Poll Results: PCCB or Steel Brakes on your 991 GT3?
PCCBs, the car is for street driving only.
150
22.76%
PCCBs, and I'll track it that way too.
148
22.46%
PCCB, but buying steel rotors or system for track.
44
6.68%
Steel brakes, it's the way I roll.
317
48.10%
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PCCB or Steel on your 991 GT3?
12-08-2017, 10:39 AM
#226
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Performance:
You can read this in-depth review and learn from David Donohue why he was in favor of CCB in his recent Pike Peaks Racing.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post14334913
Cost:
RB CCB system uses ZR1/Z28 CCM discs so the rotor replacement cost is @1250 - $1400 per rotor. Run these rotors with RB sintered (full metallic) brake pads for optimal result and durability. Sintered pads provides consistent and high brake torque under extreme braking temperature and last 2-3 times longer than conventional semi-metallic pad (based on the monitored result from a Z28 race car we sponsored).
Unlike iron brakes, you can expect a solid and bullet proof performance from CCB on any race car at any speed i.e. Viper ACR Extreme, Mustang GT350R, Camaro G6 ZL1 or Hellcat 707HP, 4700 lbs @158 mph.
CCB costs less in the long run than iron if you are a serious track racer.
Warren-RB
You can read this in-depth review and learn from David Donohue why he was in favor of CCB in his recent Pike Peaks Racing.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post14334913
Cost:
RB CCB system uses ZR1/Z28 CCM discs so the rotor replacement cost is @1250 - $1400 per rotor. Run these rotors with RB sintered (full metallic) brake pads for optimal result and durability. Sintered pads provides consistent and high brake torque under extreme braking temperature and last 2-3 times longer than conventional semi-metallic pad (based on the monitored result from a Z28 race car we sponsored).
Unlike iron brakes, you can expect a solid and bullet proof performance from CCB on any race car at any speed i.e. Viper ACR Extreme, Mustang GT350R, Camaro G6 ZL1 or Hellcat 707HP, 4700 lbs @158 mph.
CCB costs less in the long run than iron if you are a serious track racer.
Warren-RB
12-08-2017, 10:45 AM
#227
Rennlist Member
Carbon Ceramics without a doubt have superior braking performance to that of the iron brakes. That being said, the iron brakes can have no squeaking issues and a lot of times that depends on how well the pads were bedded in on the car and what pads are being used. If you wanted to try the iron brakes as red matches your interior options, know that I can set you up with a set of Surface Transforms carbon ceramic rotors that will fit your red calipers for about half the cost of the PCCB rotors. They perform better and last 4-5 times longer as they are refurbishable compared to the PCCBs which are not.
My Race Technologies where super clean and quiet until I drove the car from FL to WI, the material transfer I guess wore off.
Your new brake setup with the Surface Transforms has been silent and fine on the street, but I haven't driven it a lot besides back from Sebring and a couple of short errands.
Maybe it also has to do with the Surface Transforms OEM hats and previously the OEM steel rotors VS other after market hats?
06-07-2018, 02:08 PM
#229
haha
06-18-2018, 05:41 PM
#232
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If my GT3 were going to the racetrack for many weekends per year........... I would swap out my PCCBs for equivalent sized steel rotors. When I used to do 30 to 40 days per year from Sebring to Mosport and all tracks inbetween in my 993 RS Clubsport 3.8liter clone a set of steel Brembos would last easily 2 seasons with performance friction pads. I would simply change pads and keep running.
I have been a PCA member since 1986 now 32 years of experience.
when the 2001 GT2 came out and 2004 GT3 with ceramic brakes Porsche exclaimed brakes "lifetime guaranteed 100,000+ miles" I was skeptical as hell and continue to be skeptical. Especially at $9+K as an option.
On my GT3 I hate to spend $9K for a brake option but I think it looks cool and if & when I trade the car someone might want these brakes. If I go to the track again I would swap out the rotors to steel.
Like MACCA mentioned I have had pebbles get caught in brakes and sand............cant imagine what a cermaic rotors would do with a rock wdged in somewhere and you are racing hard. Perhaps I am being cheap its a "wear item" and FErrari Challenge guys simply bolt-in new as do proracers.
Guys- alot of Ferraris, McLarens and Covettes are seeing alot of track time. How are their OEM ceramic rotors holding up? Mclaren uses Akibono. Chevy and Ferrari brembo
I have been a PCA member since 1986 now 32 years of experience.
when the 2001 GT2 came out and 2004 GT3 with ceramic brakes Porsche exclaimed brakes "lifetime guaranteed 100,000+ miles" I was skeptical as hell and continue to be skeptical. Especially at $9+K as an option.
On my GT3 I hate to spend $9K for a brake option but I think it looks cool and if & when I trade the car someone might want these brakes. If I go to the track again I would swap out the rotors to steel.
Like MACCA mentioned I have had pebbles get caught in brakes and sand............cant imagine what a cermaic rotors would do with a rock wdged in somewhere and you are racing hard. Perhaps I am being cheap its a "wear item" and FErrari Challenge guys simply bolt-in new as do proracers.
Guys- alot of Ferraris, McLarens and Covettes are seeing alot of track time. How are their OEM ceramic rotors holding up? Mclaren uses Akibono. Chevy and Ferrari brembo
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06-19-2018, 11:27 PM
#233
If my GT3 were going to the racetrack for many weekends per year........... I would swap out my PCCBs for equivalent sized steel rotors. When I used to do 30 to 40 days per year from Sebring to Mosport and all tracks inbetween in my 993 RS Clubsport 3.8liter clone a set of steel Brembos would last easily 2 seasons with performance friction pads. I would simply change pads and keep running.
I have been a PCA member since 1986 now 32 years of experience.
when the 2001 GT2 came out and 2004 GT3 with ceramic brakes Porsche exclaimed brakes "lifetime guaranteed 100,000+ miles" I was skeptical as hell and continue to be skeptical. Especially at $9+K as an option.
On my GT3 I hate to spend $9K for a brake option but I think it looks cool and if & when I trade the car someone might want these brakes. If I go to the track again I would swap out the rotors to steel.
Like MACCA mentioned I have had pebbles get caught in brakes and sand............cant imagine what a cermaic rotors would do with a rock wdged in somewhere and you are racing hard. Perhaps I am being cheap its a "wear item" and FErrari Challenge guys simply bolt-in new as do proracers.
Guys- alot of Ferraris, McLarens and Covettes are seeing alot of track time. How are their OEM ceramic rotors holding up? Mclaren uses Akibono. Chevy and Ferrari brembo
I have been a PCA member since 1986 now 32 years of experience.
when the 2001 GT2 came out and 2004 GT3 with ceramic brakes Porsche exclaimed brakes "lifetime guaranteed 100,000+ miles" I was skeptical as hell and continue to be skeptical. Especially at $9+K as an option.
On my GT3 I hate to spend $9K for a brake option but I think it looks cool and if & when I trade the car someone might want these brakes. If I go to the track again I would swap out the rotors to steel.
Like MACCA mentioned I have had pebbles get caught in brakes and sand............cant imagine what a cermaic rotors would do with a rock wdged in somewhere and you are racing hard. Perhaps I am being cheap its a "wear item" and FErrari Challenge guys simply bolt-in new as do proracers.
Guys- alot of Ferraris, McLarens and Covettes are seeing alot of track time. How are their OEM ceramic rotors holding up? Mclaren uses Akibono. Chevy and Ferrari brembo
07-01-2018, 10:04 PM
#234
Funny to read this old thread and hear how those without PCCBs trash them, and those with PCCBs love them.
I’m going with PCCBs on my T. It’s not really a tough decision:
- $10k is not a big deal on a 911 that costs well over $100k.
- steel rotors cost $5k to replace, and you’ll be replacing them 3X as often. So in 100k miles, you’ll have spend $15k to replace steel rotors vs $20k to replace ceramics; I’d rather spend $5k more and only service the rotors once
- you do feel the 50% reduced unsprung weight! I test drove 2 911s back to back and it was obvious: better turn-in, better steering feel, incredible initial bite
- no brake dust! I can’t stand how quickly brake dust forms
cost of ceramic rotors will decrease over time, as more and more cars get them.
I’m going with PCCBs on my T. It’s not really a tough decision:
- $10k is not a big deal on a 911 that costs well over $100k.
- steel rotors cost $5k to replace, and you’ll be replacing them 3X as often. So in 100k miles, you’ll have spend $15k to replace steel rotors vs $20k to replace ceramics; I’d rather spend $5k more and only service the rotors once
- you do feel the 50% reduced unsprung weight! I test drove 2 911s back to back and it was obvious: better turn-in, better steering feel, incredible initial bite
- no brake dust! I can’t stand how quickly brake dust forms
cost of ceramic rotors will decrease over time, as more and more cars get them.
07-01-2018, 10:06 PM
#235
Only the P1 uses Akebono brakes. Nothing special about Akebono, they make a range of brakes for all purposes.
07-01-2018, 10:28 PM
#236
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PCCBs seem to have more bite (and look cooler). For street purposes, fade is not a consideration. Swear I can feel the weight difference. Car just feels differently. Probably in my head. Would love a blind test to find out for sure.
Steep cost but if you don't track regularly you should strongly consider.
Bonus: Here's one of my front wheels after 600 miles without a single cleaning.
Steep cost but if you don't track regularly you should strongly consider.
Bonus: Here's one of my front wheels after 600 miles without a single cleaning.
07-02-2018, 12:17 AM
#237
Love it! You could eat off that rim.
07-02-2018, 03:36 AM
#239
Lol... you went there, didn't you?