Carrera T-- rage free thread
10-25-2017, 04:17 PM
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I think the T might be more appealing to those of us looking for a dual purpose street/track car while the 997 GT3 may be more appealing to those who want something track focused but still streetable. Also the 997 GT3 may ultimately have a greater cost of ownership since it is out of warranty (though depreciation/appreciation might be better on the GT3, tbd).
I actually have a track focused but still streetable car right now and am thinking to shift back the other direction as I only track my car ~4-5 weekends per year.
I actually have a track focused but still streetable car right now and am thinking to shift back the other direction as I only track my car ~4-5 weekends per year.
There is a 996 GT3 a friend bought for 55K a couple years ago and put KWv2 coil-overs on it which really softened the ride. Obviously there's no warranty but an older gen GT3 is within reach now at these prices.
Without provoking a pissing contest... I'd be curious where the 911T stacks up on lap times in terms of older GT3's as a bechmark. Likely faster than the 996 and could be faster than a 997 GT3. We can all rest assured the GT3's of any year will crush it in terms of sound so we can table this too
10-25-2017, 04:39 PM
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I wonder if the goal of the 911T is even for lap times??? Porsche openly said manual cars are for enjoyment and PDK cars are for lap times.
Personally I want to know just how much more "raw" the 911T feels in comparison to the regular 991.2. When I drove the 991.2 it just felt too luxurious. Maybe the 911T will bring back some of the more connected feeling.
Personally I want to know just how much more "raw" the 911T feels in comparison to the regular 991.2. When I drove the 991.2 it just felt too luxurious. Maybe the 911T will bring back some of the more connected feeling.
10-25-2017, 04:45 PM
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I wonder if the goal of the 911T is even for lap times??? Porsche openly said manual cars are for enjoyment and PDK cars are for lap times.
Personally I want to know just how much more "raw" the 911T feels in comparison to the regular 991.2. When I drove the 991.2 it just felt too luxurious. Maybe the 911T will bring back some of the more connected feeling.
Personally I want to know just how much more "raw" the 911T feels in comparison to the regular 991.2. When I drove the 991.2 it just felt too luxurious. Maybe the 911T will bring back some of the more connected feeling.
Even though the 911T isn't about lap records - it's still interesting to see how it compares. Even us Cab owners just like to know.
10-25-2017, 04:52 PM
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10-25-2017, 04:56 PM
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10-25-2017, 05:09 PM
#51
I hate that the screen is now a requirement. Such bullsh1t. And people wonder why distracted driving deaths are up.
10-25-2017, 05:32 PM
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I think the 911T is a great idea but a similarly spec'd 911S isn't that much more.
911S
$105,100 base
$810 Sport Seat Plus
$6460 Sport Package
$890 PASM Sport
$115,030 incl delivery
911T
$102,100 base
$2090 Rear Axle Steering
$320 Sport Chrono
$105,560 incl delivery
So comparing apples-to-apples with the same options the difference is $9470 to get an S. I realize the 911T has some differences with the finishes, glass, sound deadening, etc but I personally place little value on those.
Finally it's possible to get 6% or more off an S while I'm sure there will be no discounting the 911T at least in the short term (and more likely ADM) which narrows the difference down to less than $3000.
$3k for better brakes and 50 more HP seems like a no-brainer.
911S
$105,100 base
$810 Sport Seat Plus
$6460 Sport Package
$890 PASM Sport
$115,030 incl delivery
911T
$102,100 base
$2090 Rear Axle Steering
$320 Sport Chrono
$105,560 incl delivery
So comparing apples-to-apples with the same options the difference is $9470 to get an S. I realize the 911T has some differences with the finishes, glass, sound deadening, etc but I personally place little value on those.
Finally it's possible to get 6% or more off an S while I'm sure there will be no discounting the 911T at least in the short term (and more likely ADM) which narrows the difference down to less than $3000.
$3k for better brakes and 50 more HP seems like a no-brainer.
10-25-2017, 05:45 PM
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I think the 911T is a great idea but a similarly spec'd 911S isn't that much more.
911S
$105,100 base
$810 Sport Seat Plus
$6460 Sport Package
$890 PASM Sport
$115,030 incl delivery
911T
$102,100 base
$2090 Rear Axle Steering
$320 Sport Chrono
$105,560 incl delivery
So comparing apples-to-apples with the same options the difference is $9470 to get an S. I realize the 911T has some differences with the finishes, glass, sound deadening, etc but I personally place little value on those.
Finally it's possible to get 6% or more off an S while I'm sure there will be no discounting the 911T at least in the short term (and more likely ADM) which narrows the difference down to less than $3000.
$3k for better brakes and 50 more HP seems like a no-brainer.
911S
$105,100 base
$810 Sport Seat Plus
$6460 Sport Package
$890 PASM Sport
$115,030 incl delivery
911T
$102,100 base
$2090 Rear Axle Steering
$320 Sport Chrono
$105,560 incl delivery
So comparing apples-to-apples with the same options the difference is $9470 to get an S. I realize the 911T has some differences with the finishes, glass, sound deadening, etc but I personally place little value on those.
Finally it's possible to get 6% or more off an S while I'm sure there will be no discounting the 911T at least in the short term (and more likely ADM) which narrows the difference down to less than $3000.
$3k for better brakes and 50 more HP seems like a no-brainer.
10-25-2017, 05:51 PM
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Sorry I was referring to the previous message you replied to
Last edited by Joec500; 10-25-2017 at 05:52 PM. Reason: replied to wrong message on this thread
10-25-2017, 06:02 PM
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All of which is great. To which Porsche adds:
Other than the idea that $105K+ for a 'base' car from anyone sounds a bit preposterous, I love the idea. And given how much performance headroom is thought to be in these 3.0 turbos, it really might be the ultra-hot ticket for those who like a less expensive, lower option, more visceral 911. And hopefully one that is actually obtainable rather than another mega-customer/speculator/flipper intentionally production throttled car.
Parts bin special? Sure... Just like the GTS, R, and most every other 'special' edition.
Not much of a weight reduction? Yup, that's a bit of a stretch. But pull-tab door openers are cool.
Would I want one? Absofukinlutely.
- Limited Slip
- Standard sport exhaust.
- Standard 20" dark wheels.
- Standard GT sports steering wheel with mode selector
- Standard short shifter.
- Some nice interior and exterior cosmetic tweaks.
- Wart-less sport chrono option. (this one should have been bundled standard as well)
Other than the idea that $105K+ for a 'base' car from anyone sounds a bit preposterous, I love the idea. And given how much performance headroom is thought to be in these 3.0 turbos, it really might be the ultra-hot ticket for those who like a less expensive, lower option, more visceral 911. And hopefully one that is actually obtainable rather than another mega-customer/speculator/flipper intentionally production throttled car.
Parts bin special? Sure... Just like the GTS, R, and most every other 'special' edition.
Not much of a weight reduction? Yup, that's a bit of a stretch. But pull-tab door openers are cool.
Would I want one? Absofukinlutely.
Anyone want a 991.2 base with 3000 miles on it?
10-25-2017, 06:08 PM
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I think the 911T is a great idea but a similarly spec'd 911S isn't that much more.
911S
$105,100 base
$810 Sport Seat Plus
$6460 Sport Package
$890 PASM Sport
$115,030 incl delivery
911T
$102,100 base
$2090 Rear Axle Steering
$320 Sport Chrono
$105,560 incl delivery
So comparing apples-to-apples with the same options the difference is $9470 to get an S. I realize the 911T has some differences with the finishes, glass, sound deadening, etc but I personally place little value on those.
Finally it's possible to get 6% or more off an S while I'm sure there will be no discounting the 911T at least in the short term (and more likely ADM) which narrows the difference down to less than $3000.
$3k for better brakes and 50 more HP seems like a no-brainer.
911S
$105,100 base
$810 Sport Seat Plus
$6460 Sport Package
$890 PASM Sport
$115,030 incl delivery
911T
$102,100 base
$2090 Rear Axle Steering
$320 Sport Chrono
$105,560 incl delivery
So comparing apples-to-apples with the same options the difference is $9470 to get an S. I realize the 911T has some differences with the finishes, glass, sound deadening, etc but I personally place little value on those.
Finally it's possible to get 6% or more off an S while I'm sure there will be no discounting the 911T at least in the short term (and more likely ADM) which narrows the difference down to less than $3000.
$3k for better brakes and 50 more HP seems like a no-brainer.
With less sound deadening and for those who like a manual the gearing change will definitely make the 911 T more involving.
The 911 T also has going for it that 'limited' aspect which should pad values.
Does anyone know the production run or how many will be produced?
10-25-2017, 08:25 PM
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So comparing apples-to-apples with the same options the difference is $9470 to get an S. I realize the 911T has some differences with the finishes, glass, sound deadening, etc but I personally place little value on those.
Finally it's possible to get 6% or more off an S while I'm sure there will be no discounting the 911T at least in the short term (and more likely ADM) which narrows the difference down to less than $3000.
$3k for better brakes and 50 more HP seems like a no-brainer.
Finally it's possible to get 6% or more off an S while I'm sure there will be no discounting the 911T at least in the short term (and more likely ADM) which narrows the difference down to less than $3000.
$3k for better brakes and 50 more HP seems like a no-brainer.
Still, $13k for 50 bhp and bigger brakes is cheap in the Porsche List Price world.