Carrera T-- rage free thread
#122
no but arguably this is a generation too late as it would have had a much larger impact on the NA engines.
Old school [i.e. Laggy turbo] M.O. Was long gears to take advantage of consistent boost that is lost during a shift. Today's PDK and fast spooling makes both deficits much better but it's the #1 cars that would have REALLY benefited.
Old school [i.e. Laggy turbo] M.O. Was long gears to take advantage of consistent boost that is lost during a shift. Today's PDK and fast spooling makes both deficits much better but it's the #1 cars that would have REALLY benefited.
#123
They are not alone. Go try and buy the latest Stainless Rolex Daytona at list price. Or a new Ford Raptor. Or a GT500R. All of those could be built in 10X volume without the parent companies blinking an eye, but they are purposely not.
I think the argument is that the scarcity of a few models elevates the perception of the entire brand, the so called halo effect. Not saying I agree with the strategy, just pointing out it's fairly common.
#124
Artificial scarcity of select models has been a cornerstone of Porsche marketing for some time. Counterintuitive, but it seems to work...
They are not alone. Go try and buy the latest Stainless Rolex Daytona at list price. Or a new Ford Raptor. Or a GT500R. All of those could be built in 10X volume without the parent companies blinking an eye, but they are purposely not.
I think the argument is that the scarcity of a few models elevates the perception of the entire brand, the so called halo effect. Not saying I agree with the strategy, just pointing out it's fairly common.
They are not alone. Go try and buy the latest Stainless Rolex Daytona at list price. Or a new Ford Raptor. Or a GT500R. All of those could be built in 10X volume without the parent companies blinking an eye, but they are purposely not.
I think the argument is that the scarcity of a few models elevates the perception of the entire brand, the so called halo effect. Not saying I agree with the strategy, just pointing out it's fairly common.
#125
As others have attested, unless you are willing to pay an ADM, it is nearly impossible to obtain a new GT3.
All of my previous cars I've purchased used.
So the appeal of the 991.2 T for me is that it might be my very first new purchase, on a GT3 "lite" car that includes rear seats.
I probably will never sell my GT3
#126
Artificial scarcity of select models has been a cornerstone of Porsche marketing for some time. Counterintuitive, but it seems to work...
They are not alone. Go try and buy the latest Stainless Rolex Daytona at list price. Or a new Ford Raptor. Or a GT500R. All of those could be built in 10X volume without the parent companies blinking an eye, but they are purposely not.
I think the argument is that the scarcity of a few models elevates the perception of the entire brand, the so called halo effect. Not saying I agree with the strategy, just pointing out it's fairly common.
They are not alone. Go try and buy the latest Stainless Rolex Daytona at list price. Or a new Ford Raptor. Or a GT500R. All of those could be built in 10X volume without the parent companies blinking an eye, but they are purposely not.
I think the argument is that the scarcity of a few models elevates the perception of the entire brand, the so called halo effect. Not saying I agree with the strategy, just pointing out it's fairly common.
That artificial scarcity has gotten out of hand in a major way, and I don't see that helping the "halo" of a brand with the heritage of Porsche, which has had a ****load of halo for decades.
#127
I own a 997.1 GT3 and I'm considering this too.
As others have attested, unless you are willing to pay an ADM, it is nearly impossible to obtain a new GT3.
All of my previous cars I've purchased used.
So the appeal of the 991.2 T for me is that it might be my very first new purchase, on a GT3 "lite" car that includes rear seats.
I probably will never sell my GT3
As others have attested, unless you are willing to pay an ADM, it is nearly impossible to obtain a new GT3.
All of my previous cars I've purchased used.
So the appeal of the 991.2 T for me is that it might be my very first new purchase, on a GT3 "lite" car that includes rear seats.
I probably will never sell my GT3
I do think either will be a hoot - and I'm glad I'm not in the quandary of trying to decide as it seems it would be a tough call. The 911T will likely be a better all rounder but either would be a lot of car for ~100K.
#128
I own a 997.1 GT3 and I'm considering this too.
As others have attested, unless you are willing to pay an ADM, it is nearly impossible to obtain a new GT3.
All of my previous cars I've purchased used.
So the appeal of the 991.2 T for me is that it might be my very first new purchase, on a GT3 "lite" car that includes rear seats.
I probably will never sell my GT3
As others have attested, unless you are willing to pay an ADM, it is nearly impossible to obtain a new GT3.
All of my previous cars I've purchased used.
So the appeal of the 991.2 T for me is that it might be my very first new purchase, on a GT3 "lite" car that includes rear seats.
I probably will never sell my GT3
#129
Does anyone have a confirmed allocation? I've been told I'm first on the list, but even though Porsche says the order banks are open, the Dealer's apparently are not saying so, because they don't know their allocations. As for options, as much as I'd like the lightweight buckets for spirited drives on beautiful roads in beautiful weather, I can't see myself crawling into them in a wool coat or parka in the winter time. I think I'd really limit the cars use, so I'd plan to get the sport seats. The 18-way sport seats in my spyder, and previously in my GT4, are the most comfortable seats I've ever had. It will be hard for me to take a gamble on the four ways, knowing how good the 18 ways are. Y'all have me convinced rear wheel steering is a must, but I'm still struggling with PCCBs. I have them on my Spyder and I love the way they grip, but they grip so hard and so fast, they make it more difficult to heel-toe, because their response is disproportionate to the height of the brake pedal gas pedal relationship. So without sport seats, and without PCCBS, the bits that make the car special at this point are rear-wheel steering, a standard short-shift kit, and lightweight bits, as well as the different transmission gearing. I guess that's still a pretty good package.
#131
I think it would have a small effect as the lag is reduced as rpm increases, and the shorter gearing puts the engine at higher rpm at any combination of vehicle speed and gear choice.
However, the difference won't be large as the gearing change appears to be small: 3:55 vs. 3.44. In other words, it looks like Porsche is fitting the transfer gears from the S and GTS to this 911 T.
To put that in perspective, at 70 mph, a base Carrera in seventh gear is turning about 1920 rpm. The T, S, and GTS models will turn about 1990 rpm.
So it's helpful, but hardly night and day.
However, the difference won't be large as the gearing change appears to be small: 3:55 vs. 3.44. In other words, it looks like Porsche is fitting the transfer gears from the S and GTS to this 911 T.
To put that in perspective, at 70 mph, a base Carrera in seventh gear is turning about 1920 rpm. The T, S, and GTS models will turn about 1990 rpm.
So it's helpful, but hardly night and day.
#132
Visited the dealer yesterday and was looking over his shoulder at the internal order guide, which includes parenthetical clarifications beside certain T-specific features and options. From memory, they were:
Shorter final drive ratio: (from the 991.2 S/GTS)
Short Shift Kit (from 991.2 GTS)
Lightweight glass in rear and three-quarters (from the GT2/3 RS)
Reduced sound-deadening (from 991.2 GTS)
And my personal favorite:
$0 option to substitute standard thick glass, (Oh, come on!)
Shorter final drive ratio: (from the 991.2 S/GTS)
Short Shift Kit (from 991.2 GTS)
Lightweight glass in rear and three-quarters (from the GT2/3 RS)
Reduced sound-deadening (from 991.2 GTS)
And my personal favorite:
$0 option to substitute standard thick glass, (Oh, come on!)
#134
Visited the dealer yesterday and was looking over his shoulder at the internal order guide, which includes parenthetical clarifications beside certain T-specific features and options. From memory, they were:
Shorter final drive ratio: (from the 991.2 S/GTS)
Short Shift Kit (from 991.2 GTS)
Lightweight glass in rear and three-quarters (from the GT2/3 RS)
Reduced sound-deadening (from 991.2 GTS)
And my personal favorite:
$0 option to substitute standard thick glass, (Oh, come on!)
Shorter final drive ratio: (from the 991.2 S/GTS)
Short Shift Kit (from 991.2 GTS)
Lightweight glass in rear and three-quarters (from the GT2/3 RS)
Reduced sound-deadening (from 991.2 GTS)
And my personal favorite:
$0 option to substitute standard thick glass, (Oh, come on!)