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Old 07-11-2017, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsy
What is the GT2RS's performance direct competitors?

488? 720S?

What are those prices? The GT2RS is competitive.

The kicker is that a 720S will depreciate, a 488 will likely or appreciate, at least for the sort term, a GT2RS will likely also appreciate.

That is the end of the argument.
None of them are track focused so you would have to include the 812 in that bunch - which I would take above the 488 and 720S. But I have no chance of getting one so no point even trying.

Direct competitors are/will be the Performante, 488 GTO and next 7xxLT - Porsche timed the release pretty well.
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Originally Posted by Whoopsy
What is the GT2RS's performance direct competitors?

488? 720S?

What are those prices? The GT2RS is competitive.

The kicker is that a 720S will depreciate, a 488 will likely or appreciate, at least for the sort term, a GT2RS will likely also appreciate.

That is the end of the argument.
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None of them are track focused so you would have to include the 812 in that bunch - which I would take above the 488 and 720S. But I have no chance of getting one so no point even trying.

Direct competitors are/will be the Performante, 488 GTO and next 7xxLT - Porsche timed the release pretty well.
Performante?
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Performante?
Lamborghini Huracán Performante
Old 07-11-2017, 10:55 PM
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Lamborghini Huracán Performante
Yes, I know. That wasn't the reason I was asking.
Old 07-11-2017, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Yes, I know. That wasn't the reason I was asking.
So say what you mean. You don't think the Performante is a worthy competitor of the GT2 RS? Why not?
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Originally Posted by mcsmcs1
So say what you mean. You don't think the Performante is a worthy competitor of the GT2 RS? Why not?
Not necessarily not a "worthy" competitor, but an inapt one.

RS (and the others mentioned as direct competitors, the 488 and the upcoming 720 successor) are all force induction cars.
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Originally Posted by NateOZ
None of them are track focused so you would have to include the 812 in that bunch - which I would take above the 488 and 720S. But I have no chance of getting one so no point even trying.

Direct competitors are/will be the Performante, 488 GTO and next 7xxLT - Porsche timed the release pretty well.
If you asked me Ferrari actually timed it the best. All they need to do is wait for Porsche to set a Ring time and beat that. And they will for pure bragging rights

And at the 2RS price I would rather have a 488 VS any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by Catmagog
If you asked me Ferrari actually timed it the best. All they need to do is wait for Porsche to set a Ring time and beat that. And they will for pure bragging rights

And at the 2RS price I would rather have a 488 VS any day of the week.
Ferrari has no desire of bragging rights at the Ring.

GT2RS 488VS Performante 720LT - three will be offered in a Spider one will not. Have a deposit on the 488VS while local P dealer hasn't responded about the availability to a GT2RS in weeks.

Porsche 2RS at 300K has the least developed engine RS doesn't have enough hp to compete with the competition but below 200k they don't have to.
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Originally Posted by Catmagog
If you asked me Ferrari actually timed it the best. All they need to do is wait for Porsche to set a Ring time and beat that. And they will for pure bragging rights

And at the 2RS price I would rather have a 488 VS any day of the week.
Ferrari doesn't publish Nurburgring times; they don't have to.
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Originally Posted by Guest89
Ferrari doesn't publish Nurburgring times; they don't have to.
I might say they'd rather not- it might detract from their case (based on the sportauto times we've seen). They tend to underperform vs what you'd expect (i.e. the GT3 besting the 488 by 4 seconds despite giving 170 hp away).

They seem to be doing more testing there recently, perhaps they're working to change that.
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Originally Posted by Petevb
I might say they'd rather not- it might detract from their case (based on the sportauto times we've seen). They tend to underperform vs what you'd expect (i.e. the GT3 besting the 488 by 4 seconds despite giving 170 hp away).

They seem to be doing more testing there recently, perhaps they're working to change that.
I thought about saying - they don't need to because that's not a major determinant of Ferrari purchasing, despite all the F1 tech and F1 marketing, blah blah, people buy Ferraris because of the experience. I loved them as a kid, but every one I've ever driven (multiple eras - V8, V12, Paddle, Gated) disappointed me.
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Originally Posted by Petevb
I might say they'd rather not- it might detract from their case (based on the sportauto times we've seen). They tend to underperform vs what you'd expect (i.e. the GT3 besting the 488 by 4 seconds despite giving 170 hp away).

They seem to be doing more testing there recently, perhaps they're working to change that.
True they are testing there - also think the 488 is a bit of a flop. It's very fast very easy to drive it seems to have lost it's driving emotions the 458 for half the price isn't helping.

I find myself looking at older cars or NA with more enthusiasm the 7800 vs 9000 rpm's is hard to buy into.
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It sounds like demand is robust which implies that it is priced fairly.

I wouldn't have done anything differently if I was Porsche, except to give better visibility to serious depositors about allocation chances. If not, some may grow impatient and purchase something else.
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Originally Posted by Scrappy1972
It sounds like demand is robust which implies that it is priced fairly.

I wouldn't have done anything differently if I was Porsche, except to give better visibility to serious depositors about allocation chances. If not, some may grow impatient and purchase something else.
I'm punching out - going to skip the GT3 as well which means someone else at my dealer is a winner there at least. Also going with a Tesla instead of a Panny Hybrid - cost of ownership is about half of the Panny so might as well save the money.

Leaning towards a Singer instead of the 2 RS and 3.
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Originally Posted by Petevb
I might say they'd rather not- it might detract from their case (based on the sportauto times we've seen). They tend to underperform vs what you'd expect (i.e. the GT3 besting the 488 by 4 seconds despite giving 170 hp away).

They seem to be doing more testing there recently, perhaps they're working to change that.
They wont have a choice when Porsche, McLaren and Lambo use (or will use) the Ring as the benchmark. Its becoming quite relevant a good ring time not unlike a 0-100kmh (which Tesla owns IMO). BTW: more realistic as a benchmark as well.

and my deposit is in for a 488VS


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