While it's true that to some extent all of the GTE cars are quite removed from their street counterparts, unfortunately the 911 RSR is particularly far removed. Both the rear engine configuration and strut front suspension have been ditched.

So, as it relates to Porsche at least, GTE doesn't have much bearing to the show room either! GT4 class is now the class that has more similarity to what you can buy for the street.

 

Missed it, somehow...what time was it?

 

It really does not matter if the engine is powerful enough or not because BOP is supposedly equalizing all makes anyway, so the only differentiators are endurance & reliability (at least, in theory). So if the flat 6 were a turbo or a V8 or anything else more powerful, it would have gotten penalized by BOP more. This whole BOP thing is strange, even though its goal sounds reasonable.

Also, not sure how GTE translates to street cars. Astons performed very well in the race, but you definitely would not want one for track driving.

 

Same could be said for F1.

And I, like a bunch of other people, do enjoy watching F1, as well as LMP.

Many times it's not about what you can do with the cars, but about what the cars are doing, the spirit of competition, and being able partake visually and to appreciate skillful driving.

Of course, you're probably not in prison, so you don't have to watch just what's shown on the communal cafeteria TV, nor do you have to respond to this thread.

 

They should have a real street class of cars spec with all the safety features and see how they do in 24 hrs. Mike

 

As I understand it the BOP is derived from computer based simulations derived from data collected from the cars. The aim to have each car on a simulated lap within 0.3s of each other.

The HP equation is a classic in point - the Porsche, AM and Vantage may make the same peak HP or are restricted to that - however the torque curves will be very different...........and under race conditions I feel this matters.

The difference between the RSR and Vette on the straights came from two areas - torque out of corners and less drag on the the long runs. The BOP might deliver a higher corner Vmin to the Porsche but the reality is you can't get past on the straights and the corner passing is a lottery.

Bearing in mind without BOP a six cylinder Porsche would be annihalated.

 

So I guess Porsche can't win with what they selll unlike Ford or Chevy or AM? $150k+ is a little much for a car that can't win.

 

^^^^Cup car

 

Good point - with identical unimpeded lap times, a car with more straight line speed and less cornering speed would do better in a race because of easier passing.

 

Agree. The other element that makes BOP even more difficult now is the tire war that is going on in GTE. Michelin vs Dunlop.

 

I think they actually did just that. It was announced Porsche was allowed to take 8kg less before the start of the race.

 

A Cup wouldn't have a chance in that fiield. Everyone keeps whining about keeping NA 6. It can no longer compete. If you want NA 6 PAG can drop LMP. Don't need it for
race development or performance development unless their thing is now winning in a 2 man race

 

You've finally got your out! Now you can sell the car without having to backtrack on a years worth of "RS is an RS"!

 

919 never raced at Daytona...

There are a numerous of reasons why the LMP1 effort is of greater import than GT-based racing; a few:

Prestige of overall victory
Development of future technology

When Porsche puts together a 2-3 minute video (probably out this week) illustrating their achievement at Le Mans this year, they will almost certainly describe the 919 as facilitating the journey toward the "sports car of the future"

Porsche has the largest commitment to endurance racing of any manufacturer! How can you criticize their dedication to this form of motorsport?

Aston Martin - GT Only; too cheap to pay IMSA fees so race in WEC only
Audi - Customer GT racing only
BMW - Returning to WEC next year with all new car
Ferrari - GT only
Ford - 4 GT cars across IMSA and WEC, but no prototype effort
GM - IMSA only, except for the Corvettes at Le Mans
Lambo - Customer GT racing only
McLaren - No presence in elite sports car or endurance racing
Mercedes - Customer GT racing only; will never race at Le Mans again after 1955 and 1999 events
Nissan - Pulled out after DISASTROUS 2015 performance
Toyota - LMP1 Only

The 92 RSR was leading the class overnight before Michael Christensen wrecked it near pit in. The 91 RSR had various small issues that prevented it from being in contention for overall victory.

Further, see my below comment on BOP.

Porsche received an 8 kg / 17 lb weight break prior to the race, but after qualifying.

Despite what various fanbois will say, the BOP was as equitable as could be reasonably expected. Every manufacturer led in GTE Pro, and the race went down to the wire.

 

For whatever reason Porsche is interested in the "overall" win. You should have seen how giddy those guys were the last couple of hours when they pretty much knew that if the car did not fail that the win was theirs for the taking.

I did not hear much from them on the RSR, other than "it is a new car and it is work in progress."

I do like both classes, but very much identify within whatever looks like my cars. Seeing the two seconds at Daytona and Sebring and now seeing the RSR pit right under my nose to lose third, with about 15 remaining, is pure heartbreak.

I believe the cars are run by separate groups inside Porsche, but I have to think that LMP1 is sucking the budget clean.

BTW I suggest we all look at the scoring sheets. Aston Martin had a significant BOP weight reduction. With that advantage they were able to lay down the fastest lap and of course, win.

While it is true that the fast lap of all GT PRO cars was grouped pretty much tight around 3:51.5 per lap, Aston was the only one to dip under 3:51. BOP is a killer if you don't get the right deal.

Is this some sort of conspiracy like the ones claimed at NASCAR?

Every class was won by a different manufacturer....just saying. Ahemmm....