991.2 GT3 reviews thread.
#407
Autobild Sportscars Supertest: Porsche 911 GT3 (991 LCI)
Laptime Sachsenring: 1:31,30
Topspeed: 237,2 kph
Acceleration:
0-50: 1,4 s
0-100: 3,3 s
0-160: 6,9 s
0-200: 10,6 s
0-250: 17,9 s
0-300: 37,1 s
402,34 m: 11,19 s @ 205,6 kph
1000 m: 20,43 s @ 260,7 kph
Braking:
100-0 (c): 35,4 m
100-0 (w): 31,8 m
200-0 (w): 116,0 m
Weight: 1475 kg
Power measured: 503 hp / 463 Nm (500 hp / 460 Nm claimed)
Price as tested: 168.684 €
Rating: 4/5 stars, new Performance-Index: 85,0%
Other cars at Sachsenring:
1:29,98 - Mercedes-AMG GT R
1:30,26 - Corvette C7 Z06
1:30,52 - McLaren 675LT
1:30,92 - Dodge Viper ACR
1:31,30 - Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2)
1:31,79 - Lamborghini Aventador SV
1:32,30 - Porsche 911 Turbo S (991.2)
1:32,76 - Ferrari 458 Speciale
1:32,84 - Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4
1:32,97 - Porsche 911 GT3 (991.1)
1:33,17 - BMW M4 GTS
1:33,48 - Porsche 911 Carrera S (991.2)
Laptime Sachsenring: 1:31,30
Topspeed: 237,2 kph
Acceleration:
0-50: 1,4 s
0-100: 3,3 s
0-160: 6,9 s
0-200: 10,6 s
0-250: 17,9 s
0-300: 37,1 s
402,34 m: 11,19 s @ 205,6 kph
1000 m: 20,43 s @ 260,7 kph
Braking:
100-0 (c): 35,4 m
100-0 (w): 31,8 m
200-0 (w): 116,0 m
Weight: 1475 kg
Power measured: 503 hp / 463 Nm (500 hp / 460 Nm claimed)
Price as tested: 168.684 €
Rating: 4/5 stars, new Performance-Index: 85,0%
Other cars at Sachsenring:
1:29,98 - Mercedes-AMG GT R
1:30,26 - Corvette C7 Z06
1:30,52 - McLaren 675LT
1:30,92 - Dodge Viper ACR
1:31,30 - Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2)
1:31,79 - Lamborghini Aventador SV
1:32,30 - Porsche 911 Turbo S (991.2)
1:32,76 - Ferrari 458 Speciale
1:32,84 - Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4
1:32,97 - Porsche 911 GT3 (991.1)
1:33,17 - BMW M4 GTS
1:33,48 - Porsche 911 Carrera S (991.2)
#408
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Thanks! Did they say why only 4/5 stars rating?
Also, do you know how much power and torque the 991RS or 911R made on this test?
Interesting that it only met its "very conservative" factory ratings...
Also, do you know how much power and torque the 991RS or 911R made on this test?
Interesting that it only met its "very conservative" factory ratings...
#410
Ah, ok, but still...
Again an illustration of how difficult it will be to sustain a NA GT line in the future ?! Competition is growing ...
The GT3 still has the heritage, the passion, the raise your arm hairs x factor. It's in a niche of its own. But there's no denying cold hard performance !
Again an illustration of how difficult it will be to sustain a NA GT line in the future ?! Competition is growing ...
The GT3 still has the heritage, the passion, the raise your arm hairs x factor. It's in a niche of its own. But there's no denying cold hard performance !
Don't get suckered into chasing horsepower, because you run the risk of creating a car that doesn't make the bits tingle.
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Not to pile on too much, but I was happily surprised to see in the "GT3.2 Nordschliefe" thread on this board that the PDK-S only saved 3 seconds on the 13 mile Nurburgring track (translates to under 1 second for nearly all US tracks when well driven).
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Regardless the GT3 always punches well above it's weight, and offers a manual. Which is why I ordered one!
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Not to pile on too much, but I was happily surprised to see in the "GT3.2 Nordschliefe" thread on this board that the PDK-S only saved 3 seconds on the 13 mile Nurburgring track (translates to under 1 second for nearly all US tracks when well driven).
#415
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Okay, didn't mean to turn this into another 2 vs 3 pedal thing. Sorry.
#416
The Sportauto dyno data sheds some light on why some reviewers are raving about the new motor. When overlaid you can see that the new engine is ahead everywhere on torque and far ahead in areas of the low and mid-range. It also has huge area under the curve up top- the GT3 RS touches its peak power briefly. The 991.2 on the other hand stays ahead of that peak figure for a solid 1000 rpm band- much more area under the curve than Porsche's own dyno figures show. If the 991.2 truly revs to 9k (this dyno shows 8.8?) you're looking at ~7% more area under to curve over the top 1/3 of the rev range with the new engine- a bigger difference than between the 991.1 GT3 and the 991.1 RS.
I'd say the reviewers might have been a little over-exuberant, but they nailed it.
Original Sportauto dynos:
I'd say the reviewers might have been a little over-exuberant, but they nailed it.
Original Sportauto dynos:
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1.We do not have good information if the 3 sec. difference is accurate.
2. If accurate, was it the same driver in both cars and same day?
3. This is one lap. For all of you tracking your cars, each lap in MT will be slower than equal driver with PDK. Continue to fall further behind with each lap because their shifting cannot be perfect with each lap.
4. The driver of the MT I believe is Kluck and considered one of the best drivers on the planet. 99.9 % of the buyers of GT3 with MT probably have at best 10% of his skill with MT. To extrapolate is skills to amateur MT skills would be like comparing yourself to LeBron James in basketball.
5. Tracking a GT3 probably would represent 5% of the total usage of the GT3. Most other times, the car would be subject to traffic on crowded roads. Now some guys claim they get their jollies shifting in traffic. They represent a time warp few who fail to recognize that technology has passed them by.
So think twice before jumping on the MT bandwagon.
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2. If accurate, was it the same driver in both cars and same day?
3. This is one lap. For all of you tracking your cars, each lap in MT will be slower than equal driver with PDK. Continue to fall further behind with each lap because their shifting cannot be perfect with each lap.
3. This is one lap. For all of you tracking your cars, each lap in MT will be slower than equal driver with PDK. Continue to fall further behind with each lap because their shifting cannot be perfect with each lap.
3. This is the challenge that makes lapping entertaining and challenging - trying to more fully master as many of the requirements of fast driving and being able to do so consistently. No prizes for winning, other than satisfaction with doing something well (and having fun doing it). Not that fun to me to pull a paddle which is an electronic switch. In fact, many of the factory drivers that I've seen just leave the PDK in Auto mode...
#419
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I'm personally a Luddite,but I want to go full automatic when the time comes. I have no interest in driving. I want a car to take me to the bar with my buddies and when it's time to go home...oh well...don't wake me up until I'm home. Just make a system to spray water in my face when I get there. I don't want to be touching any switches or move any levers either,I want the car to take commands or know what I'm thinking. I want the car to be fully isolated from the outside world. I don't want any sound,smell to enter inside. I want the inside to smell like Valentino perfume. I want massage seats and latte machines. I want 20 cup holders in deviated stitching crocodile leather.
Until then I drive sports cars that are loud,obnoxious and challenging to drive. I don't care about lap times and traffic. If once in a blue moon I encounter traffic,I'll live!
Until then I drive sports cars that are loud,obnoxious and challenging to drive. I don't care about lap times and traffic. If once in a blue moon I encounter traffic,I'll live!
#420
If those torque curves are right that is a huge jump at 2500rpm. Almost 100 ft.lbf increase with the GT3. The RS has a low end torque increase over the 991.1 GT3 I wonder what that looks like compared to the others.