Nur93

Auto bild hitlist(M4 GTS lap1.33.17min)

Nur93

randr

Some good reading from the German auto press - thanks for posting.

Surely the take home message has to be - the difference between these cars comes down to the experience and quality of the driver e.g. its not the car that makes the driver but rather the driver that makes the car.

However, I would say this - the AMG GT R is a brilliant offering from MB. From a pure performance perspective its a head and shoulders above the GT3 and GT3 RS.

turbo8765

Does anyone know details about the build for the yellow car in the video? What driver's sest is installed (looks like an FIA halo seat)?

Does the car have a/c? Is it similar to the RS built for the LL?

Mika911

The car does indeed have a race seat for safety reasons, but it's is stated in the SportAuto article that it's 9kg heavier than the Porsche bucket. No mention of exact options, but total weight of the car with full tank and without driver is 1492KG. Camber is 1d42' front and 1d30' rear, so quite conservative, but suits the Ring.

Kallagtunet

Nur93 do you have the supertest and translation for the 991.2 gts for comparison? It would be greatly appriciated if you could post it her or at the 991 forum.

Nur93

The translation from that test Is at page 19 In this thread I think. And here Is Pic.

Kallagtunet

Thanks Nur93, i missed that one earlyer.

randr

^^^just noticed the max lateral G for the GTS ~ 1.75g and 1.78g and routinely over 1.5g - the Corsas are basically delivering near track tyre levels of performance through corners. The best I can get out of P0N1 is ~ 1.42g.

Impressive, I wonder how long they last.

Also (see G for high lat-G NBr corners)

GT3 MPSC2--------GTS .2 CORSA-----S .2 P0N1
Ex-muhle, 1.65g-------1.50g----------1.40g
Bergwerk, 1.65g-------1.50g----------1.30g
Klostertal2, 1.55g------1.35g----------1.40g
S.schwanz, 1.70g------1.70g----------1.65g

The performance difference between these tires is larger than I expected - put the same tires on all three and it would get very interesting.

Nur93

Due to the layout of Nur all car will pull higher than normal G:s , Hence we should pay attention to where on track. Like many bends got plenty camber/angle.

Hence karusell (they do not messure It) for instant you get Big G:s due to massive angle. Due to this Its better to see hockenheim G::s If Nur Is not familiar (as many bends there give higher G than normal bends due to angle/cambe on track.)

randr

----------------GT3-----GTS------S
Sachskurve-1.45g-----1.50-----1.35
Senke-------1.25g-----1.25-----1.20
Querspange-1.30g----1.15-----1.15

So bees dick between the GT3 and GTS at Hock, put them all on MPSC2 and it will be close - more so than people think (at least in terms of a hot lap).

turbo8765

Thanks.

I just thought it was odd there's a hole in the dash where the infotainment should be. Made me think of the GT3 RS that was built for the LL.

bccars

Over one lap, indeed, it sure looks that way. But we'll wait and see what happens when they first get out on trackdays.

Nur93

The Porsche gen 2 GTS is only 1 tenths slower than 991 gen2 GT3 at hockenheim. (Same driver) So they are more or less same same one fast lap.

drdonger

On a hot lap they will be similar in mild weather. In hot weather the GT3 will be faster, allso after multiple laps. The main advantage the GTS has is torque.