If they cannot put my order through to PAG on march 7th as promised, and if no clue as to when production and delivery, I'm asking my deposit back AND I will take my money to another brand. We've been strung along for almost a year now ... enough is enough ... it's a stupid car, not the holy grail or the fountain of youth ...

 

Almost same thoughts for me, the only q is, at earliest delivery sept -17, so what if it arrives march -18 still winter and all, well hopefully one could do a few nice autumn trackdays..

 

One more reason that the 991.2 GT3 could lap the Ring in under 7:20...

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...h-tire-for-911

 

"How effective will these tires be? Their added grip cut four seconds from the 2017 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS coupe's lap time at the Nürburgring Nordschliefe from 7:26 to 7:22."

Cut four seconds compared to which tire?

Of course, assuming these tires will be OEM for the 991.2 GT3, and will also fit the 991.1 GT3 and RS (quoted size matches the 991.1 GT3), we'd want the same tires on all three cars to properly compare their lap times.

I wasn't aware a lap time had been released for the GTS. Faster than the 991.1 GT3, but maybe due to the tire, and perhaps about equal lap time with equal tire (which sounds about right to me). AP's group needs to step it up!

 

That tire cant be grippier than a Cup2.

 

The article says the Corsas improve the laptime 4 sec over the standard street tire on the GTS and that these Corsas are not even true R-compound tires.

The OEM tires for the GT3 will be much more serious (real R-compounds)...

 

That tire is probably less aggressive than MPSC2. Pirelli's top performance tire is Trofeo R.

 

Of course not - my point is that a GTS running on street tires (albeit good ones) cannot be as fast as a new GT3 (with an additional ~50hp and a host of performance advantages on track tires).

Tire performance is improving rapidly and whatever tire comes on the next GT3 should enjoy at least the same performance improvement (over the current Cup2) that these optional street tires have over the stock tire on a GTS.

 

They're gonna need to with a 3.8 and that GTS ring time.

 

Exactly - sort of the equivalent to the Michelin Super Sport (Corsa) vs. Cup2 (Trofeo R), but the Corsas seem more serious than the Super Sports...

 

In that case, looks like the GTS may indeed be a bit faster than the 991.1 GT3, and not much slower than the RS. The GT3 has more peak hp, but maybe the GTS is maintaining more average hp on track due to the turbos. I assume the tested GTS also has RWS, PDK, PDCC, etc.

And based on the above, I'll revise my prediction for the 991.2 GT3 lap time to say it will be a little faster than the 991.1 RS (largely due to tires).

 

I agree and if one considers that the Corsas are probably not as fast as the stock N1 Cup2's on the RS, then it seems reasonable that the GTS could be as fast or faster than the RS on equal tires. Hard to believe, but seems what the data suggests...

Where I live at high altitude, I have no doubt that the turbocharged GTS is the performance (and initial purchase price) bargain in the lineup. Makes a strong case for the next RS being turbocharged...

 

Trofeo R
MPSC2
Corsa
MPSS Current

I would imagine the forthcoming Michelin Pilot Sport 4 will be at least the equal of the Corsa tire.

Porsche's OE tire for the mainstream 911s is Pirelli (for some reason) and Michelin/Dunlop for Motorsport division.

 

Above is correct order. Just after 5-6 sessions Trofeos lose there edge and are gone while Cup2's keep going and going and going.

 

If the GTS is equipped about the same as the 991.1 GT3, the prices are also about the same. Even if the GTS is a little faster, I'd personally still prefer the GT3 due to the 9K NA engine, possibly greater durability on track, pseudo-warranty for track use, looks, etc.