OMG, seriously? All this bickering and all we had to do was drop a note in the mail and all the data and numbers we want we be delivered by the postman right to our door?

Who knew that although PAG doesn't publich GT car production figures all this information would be released to us individually with a note and a stamp?

Can we fax a request?

LOL.

 

That can't be real.

 

^^LoL.. honestly though.. could it have been that easy? That is alot of GT3's..

 

When all else fails, just go old school and ask.

 

That doesn't make any sense. I mean just do a reality check when you are driving around, spotting high performance 911's in the wild. 6000 991.1 GT3's would be about the same as the 7000 997.1 Turbos they made. And think of how often you see a 1.1 GT3 vs a 7.1 Turbo? Does not pass the smell test for me... Personally I watch for 997.2 GT3/991.1 GT3RS/997.2 Turbo S , and those PCNAL USA numbers 700/1200/2100 ring true with what I see driving around. I believe the PCNAL numbers. The only other thing at play here, would be the USA imports dropping to 20-25% of worldwide productuion. Again, does not pass smell test. The world just seems right to me with 1200 1.1RS in USA.

 

Both names at the end of the letter work for Porsche customer care and the letter itself does not look suspicious.

The letter is a response to a telephone-call from 04. July 2016.

The date of the letter would be interesting...

Blueflame

 

Even better. A call?

Can some here please call this guy at PAG and get us the information. Geez.

Where is the letter letter head? Customer care? Where did he get the info from or who? Can he send us a copy of the data sheets with the information? DI'm fairly certain there are business records with this information. GT3? Does that include RS too?

So now there are over 6000 GT3s? Hmmm. Not what my eyes see.

I was going to make the same observations as Greg Lab but didn't want to summon my boogie man (Mass27). Have no time for trolls today.

 

I did not say that the letter is the real thing - just told you, after some research of the names, my "German-Observation" of the pic... ;-)

Blueflame

 

That would explain it, gets back to 3000 WW RS and 1200 USA.

 

no matter what, you have to recognize that GT3's aren't driven the same miles per year as Turbos are. I would have to guess the average GT3 owner puts maybe 3k to 4k miles on their car per year. on a Turbo (and again, I'm just making these up), I would guess it's around 10k.

just assuming that math holds in reality, even if there were twice as many GT3s as Turbos, you wouldn't see them as often.

 

^^^^ true, good point...

 

Between street, track, cars & coffee based on what my eyes see it doesn't add up to 6000+ GT3 WW.

Geez, its like this "cleaning lady" stuff is spreading to other models increasing production all over the place. Pretty soon we will hear about a secret stash of 991R's putting WW production over 2000.

Please.

 

R is numbered i could understand the concern if 992 cars sold

but GT3 /RS not
who cares and what s the problem if they built
1000 or 4000 or even 6000 cars ???

 

No problem at all. But it would be naive to ignore that with a marque' model such as the GT3 and especially the RS part of the attraction many have to acquiring these models at $150,000+ is that there are not thousands upon thousands populating the planet and behind every bush and tree. Porsche traditionally protects the value of their marque models by not overproducing so they are nearly as common as Kia's.

What is the MAIN attraction of the R? Its MT? Sure, guys like the MT but not the MAIN attraction here. It's 4.0L?. Neat lump but not the main attraction... Answer....its that little number badge saying there are only 991 of them that is driving prices and the attraction.

I really do like the R. Very nice car. But...imho put one next to an RS and put the LE number tags aside, car for car the R disappears next to an RS. Just does. Again MHO. In fact I'd be willing to bet that if the RS had the numbered tags with a total 991 build they would be selling for over $1 million. Easy. If the R was made in GT3 numbers or RS numbers it would be selling for MSRP all day long. MHO.

As an RS owner I would like to know if there are 3500 WW or 7000 WW. I am very confident its around 3500 for many reasons not reliant or based on any "cleaning lady" information. We already have pretty good info that North America numbers are 1400 roughly. That makes the RS pretty limited for NA. Not R limited.. but limited. Best estimates are that there are roughly 3000 FGT's in North America. Look at them. 2x original MSRP at this time and likely rising in value for a number of reasons.

 

Why are you so insecure about the price you paid for your vehicle? You need to defend production numbers, as if some magical production number would immediately devalue your "investment". Give me a break, grow up and read an economics book.