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Old 01-20-2016, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by carcommander
The article I read said it was a detuned GT3 motor. Bet it doesn't have 550hp. Why would they eclipse the RS for a car that slots between the GTS and the Turbo?
Good point on the strength of the engine, carcommander. However if the base price is true at $387K, what constitutes that price? Are they making the whole car Carbon Fiber? Or the price is in error?

All of these is a big mystery and I suppose the real deal will be announced early March.

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Old 01-20-2016, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GT3RS-Fan1
Good point on the strength of the engine, carcommander. However if the base price is true at $3887K, what constitutes that price? Are they making the whole car Carbon Fiber? Or the price is in error?

All of these is a big mystery and I suppose the real deal will be announced early March.

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For nearly $4million we should get a lot more than an R!
Old 01-20-2016, 09:08 PM
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On the serious side I much doubt the 4.0L will be tuned to 550hp. That means 137.5 Hp/L, thereby making it the highest specific output production engine around I have no doubt it can be produced but much doubt about its reliabilty. IIRC the Speciale has the highest specific output of modern engines and it is well shy of the dreamed about 4.0L.
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Originally Posted by Just in time
For nearly $4million we should get a lot more than an R!
Hello Just in time,

My apologies. I was so freakin' excited I was typing too many numbers. I really meant to say $387K. LMAO.

I agree if it was $4M, they should give us a Jet plane.

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Old 01-20-2016, 11:53 PM
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I'm still really failing to see why porsche would (in what seems to be a popular theory) give the 911R 50 more hp than the current GT3RS.
Old 01-21-2016, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by GT3RS-Fan1
Good point on the strength of the engine, carcommander. However if the base price is true at $387K, what constitutes that price? Are they making the whole car Carbon Fiber? Or the price is in error? All of these is a big mystery and I suppose the real deal will be announced early March. Drive safe, GT3RS-Fan1
If not mistaken the article is from an Australian magazine. They have really big taxes on cars down under so prize in the US won't be that much. Not sure how much a new RS is in Aus but that would give us a rough idea about price on R if this journalist is valid.
Old 01-21-2016, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 997rs4.0
If not mistaken the article is from an Australian magazine. They have really big taxes on cars down under so prize in the US won't be that much. Not sure how much a new RS is in Aus but that would give us a rough idea about price on R if this journalist is valid.
Correct, Aussie article.

RS in Australia started @ approx $420K AUD drive away (including all taxes etc) for base car. Bear in mind that options take the car to a normal drive away price closer to $450K AUD.
Old 01-21-2016, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
I'm still really failing to see why porsche would (in what seems to be a popular theory) give the 911R 50 more hp than the current GT3RS.
came from Anonymous918 and a few others who seem to have connections. I also was wondering why no one seemed to be bringing up the absurdity of that supposed power output from a 4.0 NA engine?
Old 01-21-2016, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Petevb
It was pretty clear when Porsche released the 991 RS with 500 hp that they were leaving room for another model above it. The redline increase and head design would lead you to expect a ~525 hp rating with the 4.0 all else being equal. I'd probably just do that if I were them, or at most go to a 4.2L (104.5 bore w/ 81.5 stroke) and 550 hp. That'd be far easier, and would seem more than enough to sell a bundle at a significant premium to the RS.
Maybe 550 hp isn't completely impossible with 4.0L? Seeing as PAG typically has been conservative with their stated hp figures, maybe the 4.0 L 991.1 RS actually makes closer to 525 hp with 8800 rpm. And it's probably safe to assume they left a little on the table for the next generation (which may originally have been destined to be NA).

Now, I would think that between dieselgate, all the competition upping the performance ante with FI, and a desire to align their halo cars with the rest of the newly turbocharged lineup, a top end NA power plant may be finding itself homeless, at least in the upcoming GT offerings. So I wouldn't be all that surprised if the 911R becomes the obvious place to drop such an engine. Especially if the 911R is the last of the NA heavy hitters, which would be an apt way to commemorate the 1967 original.
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There were other rumors/publications that suggested 450 hp.

As much as I would rather have 550, the 450 figure seems a lot more believable.

Either way - going to be a really sad day when I finally realize I can't get one.
Old 01-21-2016, 03:09 AM
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I don't see this car eclipsing the RS in power. I'm not still convinced it's going to get the 4.0 RS engine, but rather the GT3 engine.

If the R does get the recent 4.0L RS engine, I would bet that HP stays at 500 or detuned slightly to 490 to maintain the hierarchy of the 991 4.0 RS as the top of line NA Porsche car/engine.

The purists and manualists would be overjoyed just to get the 4.0L RS engine with a manual transmission in a lighter car. They don't need to be given an engine >500 HP, because those people will buy the R anyway, and Porsche won't **** off all their 991 RS owners.
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These two solid numbers make the 550hp claim impossible:

-137hp/L.
->9000rpm

Never been done in the production car world.. Neither one.

This rumor, in the words of the artist formerly known as "less than 3mph".. Should be "repudiated"

Edit: this is the third time I've tried to enter the "less than" symbol in an attempt to make a joke which included mr "less than 3mph" and I can now see why he changed his name so I had to type out his whole name and the joke was lost. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
I also was wondering why no one seemed to be bringing up the absurdity of that supposed power output from a 4.0 NA engine?
I agree. Also, a lot of credence is being given to this one sentence from the article:

"It will almost certainly be matched to the engine from Porsche’s top-shelf naturally-aspirated 911, the GT3 RS, which is powered by a 368kW/460Nm 4.0-litre flat six".

"It will almost certainly.....". That sounds to me like magazine speak for "we don't really know but let's speculate anyway". As I recall, before the 991 GT3 was officially introduced there was a lot of similar inside information from magazine sources....much of it wrong.
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Originally Posted by GT3RS-Fan1
Good point on the strength of the engine, carcommander. However if the base price is true at $387K, what constitutes that price? Are they making the whole car Carbon Fiber? Or the price is in error?
Yeah, wow. If it's priced at $387k, or anywhere close to that, I'll pass. No thank you.

Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
I'm still really failing to see why porsche would (in what seems to be a popular theory) give the 911R 50 more hp than the current GT3RS.
+1

I realize we have some reliable sources here, but I still don't understand why Porsche would do that.
Old 01-21-2016, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Drifting
I don't see this car eclipsing the RS in power. I'm not still convinced it's going to get the 4.0 RS engine, but rather the GT3 engine.

If the R does get the recent 4.0L RS engine, I would bet that HP stays at 500 or detuned slightly to 490 to maintain the hierarchy of the 991 4.0 RS as the top of line NA Porsche car/engine.

The purists and manualists would be overjoyed just to get the 4.0L RS engine with a manual transmission in a lighter car. They don't need to be given an engine >500 HP, because those people will buy the R anyway, and Porsche won't **** off all their 991 RS owners.
The answer is simple - they care more about their 918 Customers than the RS ones' that is why you will probably not even get a whiff at it if those rumored, production numbers, hold true. This car is for them - do not kid yourself. They made a deal with the devil when they they were getting embarrassed that they could not sell all their cars like Mclaren and Ferrari did in days. Hopefully they make these for them and then end their pact


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