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A good buddy is an instructor there, he told me same thing.. They had never swapped pccb rotors, all their cars had stayed with original disks.. And he wasn't referring to the 991 gt3's there. Barber isn't a tough braking track and Magen students to go hard on brakes but that is saying something.. Maybe this whole no pccb for the track thing is a bit of a myth?
The Gen II would barely last 2x longer than $300 steels. What we need is someone who is an excellent, near pro level driver to run a set of Gen IIIs for a season and see what's left. If you could run Gen IIIs for two hard seasons, they might be worth the $20K for a new set.
2 seasons is about right.
40-50 track days per season, half at Sebring.
= about 3-4 sets of front rotors, 1 set of rear call it $4000 x 2 $8000
= about 5-6 sets of front pads, 3-4 sets of rear call it $2800 x 2 $5600
Close enough.
I expect wear to be worse in the new automatics.
Lap times at least within a couple of seconds laptime as a pro.
2 seasons is about right.
40-50 track days per season, half at Sebring.
= about 3-4 sets of front rotors, 1 set of rear call it $4000 x 2 $8000
= about 5-6 sets of front pads, 3-4 sets of rear call it $2800 x 2 $5600
Close enough.
I expect wear to be worse in the new automatics.
Lap times at least within a couple of seconds laptime as a pro.
Think with PTV, the rears will run close to the fronts. I don't think this can be switched off , nor should you want to as it is a driving aid meant to make the car more nimble.
I assume you are going with PCCB? For an RS, it makes perfect sense. The pinnacle of porsche sports cars need PCCB to complete it.
In UK/Europe, SICOM is offering refurb prices at under EUR 1k a corner for OEM. and new discs are slightly more than double that. My thoughts are that prices keep falling and it is worth getting a set of replacements and keep referring those while putting aside the oem pccb, since they will cost double the replacements or 4X the cost of refurb.
For what it's worth,
That said... they had a fleet of track dedicated GT3's each equipped with PCCB's. They've had them the entire year and not swapped rotors yet....
I go to Porsche Sport Driving School at Barber annually on a guys trip. Every time I go, I ask about PCCB wear since as you have noted, the GT3s and the Turbos all run PCCBs. Each of the cars is put through the paces by the instructors as each new model arrives and then they are punished by students who are driving them exactly how someone drives a rented vehicle – relentlessly. While these guys work for PSDS, they are not brand ambassadors to the extent of pushing options. I have had many discussions with them in which certain options, which would clearly increase sales, were dismissed. In past years, instructors did say they did not have confidence in Gen 2 rotors holding up under intense use but the Gen 3s have not yet been replaced. Pads yes, but rotors no.
Eh if they're student training cars then they're probably pretty easy on the brakes overall.
Actually no, they push the students to go hot heading down to corners and brake HARD before entry. The way we are coached is to not be timid with brake or throttle frankly.
This has been some very promising information about PCCB gen 3 durability. It's too bad the sample size among street cars (primarily Porsches, Vettes, & Vipers) running CCBs heavily on track seems to be relatively small which likely slows durability progress.
Why are people replacing OEM pads with aftermarket? Sure some cars are designed to be mostly street and a different pad might be more appropriate for increased track use.
I find it hard to believe this would be the case for a Porsche GT3. How do people think the Porsche motor sports division messed up in their OEM pad choice.....?
I go to Porsche Sport Driving School at Barber annually on a guys trip. Every time I go, I ask about PCCB wear since as you have noted, the GT3s and the Turbos all run PCCBs. Each of the cars is put through the paces by the instructors as each new model arrives and then they are punished by students who are driving them exactly how someone drives a rented vehicle – relentlessly. While these guys work for PSDS, they are not brand ambassadors to the extent of pushing options. I have had many discussions with them in which certain options, which would clearly increase sales, were dismissed. In past years, instructors did say they did not have confidence in Gen 2 rotors holding up under intense use but the Gen 3s have not yet been replaced. Pads yes, but rotors no.
Why are people replacing OEM pads with aftermarket? Sure some cars are designed to be mostly street and a different pad might be more appropriate for increased track use.
I find it hard to believe this would be the case for a Porsche GT3. How do people think the Porsche motor sports division messed up in their OEM pad choice.....?
It seems most people still doubt that PCCBs are a viable option if you track your car. Based on my limited experience tracking my 2015 (I am up to 1,800 track miles and almost 10,000 road miles) the new Gen 3s are clearly better. If I get three or four years, each with 1,800 to 2,000 track miles and 10,000 road miles, out on the PCCBs, as my service tech suggested at my last inspection, I will be satisfied -- that's just me.
I am running the OEM pads, lot's of people run Pagids or other pads, but the OEM pads that the new GT3s come with seem go to me - no noticeable fade and no excessive wear.
I have to agree my Gen 3 991 Gt3 PCCBs holding up well but if they go and when they I will have very few options to deal with so most likely factory replacements and full pop. When my RS arrives Steels are attached because of the many options available. If I want ceramics I can add them with lots of options inbetween not so with the Factory PCCBs. I plan on keeping the RS for a while ( I always say that about cars) and this time I mean it!
I have to agree my Gen 3 991 Gt3 PCCBs holding up well but if they go and when they I will have very few options to deal with so most likely factory replacements and full pop. When my RS arrives Steels are attached because of the many options available. If I want ceramics I can add them with lots of options inbetween not so with the Factory PCCBs. I plan on keeping the RS for a while ( I always say that about cars) and this time I mean it!
08-22-2015, 12:48 PM
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