To lift or not to lift
10-21-2014, 03:44 PM
#47
If you can't afford it, to lift or not is moot.
The lift has utility. The paint on your key doesn't.
10-21-2014, 03:46 PM
#48
Positioning the lift as an insurance policy is apt. Plus, the lift is going to have resale value.
For those minding the budget, you can fund half the cost of the lift by deleting the dash wart (aka sport chrono), which is an expensive clock, albeit a nice looking one.
Peace of mind can be had for approx. 2% of the total cost of the car with options.
For those minding the budget, you can fund half the cost of the lift by deleting the dash wart (aka sport chrono), which is an expensive clock, albeit a nice looking one.
Peace of mind can be had for approx. 2% of the total cost of the car with options.
Last edited by WernerE; 10-22-2014 at 02:50 AM.
10-22-2014, 02:02 AM
#49
Drifting
Here is what we should do. Put in a camera on a car with no lift and another with lift and aim the camera at the drivers face to see their expressions as they come to a steep driveway. Then multiply this expression x number of yrs you own this car and then decide if the $3500 was worth it.
10-22-2014, 02:48 AM
#50
I've read this thread only and plucked out some facts.
Please allow me to be lazy; I have this "just bloody Google it" questions:
1. video of the lift going up and down in real time, preferably with a ruler or something to the actual mm of rise and fall.
?
2. actual mm of rise and fall (does it clear parking space concrete tire stop ... what's the actual raised/lowered clearance)?
rise amount: 30 mm?
3. actual time (factory claim) time of rise and fall
5 seconds?
4. max speed while raised?
30 mph?
I have two places I park every day with concrete tire stops. The car would need to rise far more than 30mm to clear them. I think a camera is the solution (park as close to whatever as possible.)
I find the scraping to be superficial. If anything, the 991S with PASM Sport is really annoying -- I've lost two (!) chin lip splitters.
Please allow me to be lazy; I have this "just bloody Google it" questions:
1. video of the lift going up and down in real time, preferably with a ruler or something to the actual mm of rise and fall.
?
2. actual mm of rise and fall (does it clear parking space concrete tire stop ... what's the actual raised/lowered clearance)?
rise amount: 30 mm?
3. actual time (factory claim) time of rise and fall
5 seconds?
4. max speed while raised?
30 mph?
I have two places I park every day with concrete tire stops. The car would need to rise far more than 30mm to clear them. I think a camera is the solution (park as close to whatever as possible.)
I find the scraping to be superficial. If anything, the 991S with PASM Sport is really annoying -- I've lost two (!) chin lip splitters.
10-22-2014, 03:18 AM
#52
Race Director
I've read this thread only and plucked out some facts.
Please allow me to be lazy; I have this "just bloody Google it" questions:
1. video of the lift going up and down in real time, preferably with a ruler or something to the actual mm of rise and fall.
?
2. actual mm of rise and fall (does it clear parking space concrete tire stop ... what's the actual raised/lowered clearance)?
rise amount: 30 mm?
3. actual time (factory claim) time of rise and fall
5 seconds?
4. max speed while raised?
30 mph?
Please allow me to be lazy; I have this "just bloody Google it" questions:
1. video of the lift going up and down in real time, preferably with a ruler or something to the actual mm of rise and fall.
?
2. actual mm of rise and fall (does it clear parking space concrete tire stop ... what's the actual raised/lowered clearance)?
rise amount: 30 mm?
3. actual time (factory claim) time of rise and fall
5 seconds?
4. max speed while raised?
30 mph?
2. At the center of the front spoiler the rise is 34mm as measured in my garage. That's based on a clearance at 101mm (4") down and 135mm (5 5/16") raised. Not enough to clear some concrete tire stops, in my experience.
3. I've not seen a factory claim. I timed mine at just a hair under two seconds to rise fully and just under 3 seconds to drop again.
4. Manual says 30 mph. In real life my lift doesn't come down automatically until 39 mph.
10-22-2014, 06:42 AM
#53
Three Wheelin'
10-22-2014, 12:33 PM
#55
Rennlist Member
I cant believe we have a "lift or no lift" thread about a Porsche 911... and it's not even talking about throttle application around a corner!
Times have changed!
(I was always told.... "DONT LIFT")
Times have changed!
(I was always told.... "DONT LIFT")
10-22-2014, 01:03 PM
#56
Burning Brakes
Those that think the lift is worth $3500 will buy it. Those that don't see the value will not. Again, it has nothing to do with affordability.
10-23-2014, 01:26 PM
#57
I agree on both counts.
I wanted to at least assemble some information before deciding to spend or hold $3000+. While it clearly is an impressive advance over the earlier systems, it's still a lump of weight and complexity. Of course, it's already an overly weighty and complex car, so an extra percent here or there is neither here nor there.
I don't need to park over a balanced iPhone 5, and this lift won't help with parking spot concrete stops or curbs, so I'll save the cash and put a camera there full time for front and back maneuvers.
After 2000+ miles and numerous days driving in San Francisco, while I have a mental map to avoid the really atrocious roads, it's mostly the parking and drive ramps that need the diagonal straddle (and it's kind of fun to feel the opposite front wheel lift off the ground and smoothly regain its contact.)
10-23-2014, 03:34 PM
#58
Drifting
I added lift before build lock because:
1. make it easier to load on trailer , open door and clear fender once on(plan)
2. local Rhode Island roads in summer are really ruff
3. occasional driveway dip/need
4. on dealers recommendation for resale/trade value will pay off to have it
10-23-2014, 04:21 PM
#59
Three Wheelin'
Classic: don't lift.
I agree on both counts.
I wanted to at least assemble some information before deciding to spend or hold $3000+. While it clearly is an impressive advance over the earlier systems, it's still a lump of weight and complexity. Of course, it's already an overly weighty and complex car, so an extra percent here or there is neither here nor there.
I don't need to park over a balanced iPhone 5, and this lift won't help with parking spot concrete stops or curbs, so I'll save the cash and put a camera there full time for front and back maneuvers.
After 2000+ miles and numerous days driving in San Francisco, while I have a mental map to avoid the really atrocious roads, it's mostly the parking and drive ramps that need the diagonal straddle (and it's kind of fun to feel the opposite front wheel lift off the ground and smoothly regain its contact.)
I agree on both counts.
I wanted to at least assemble some information before deciding to spend or hold $3000+. While it clearly is an impressive advance over the earlier systems, it's still a lump of weight and complexity. Of course, it's already an overly weighty and complex car, so an extra percent here or there is neither here nor there.
I don't need to park over a balanced iPhone 5, and this lift won't help with parking spot concrete stops or curbs, so I'll save the cash and put a camera there full time for front and back maneuvers.
After 2000+ miles and numerous days driving in San Francisco, while I have a mental map to avoid the really atrocious roads, it's mostly the parking and drive ramps that need the diagonal straddle (and it's kind of fun to feel the opposite front wheel lift off the ground and smoothly regain its contact.)
11-09-2014, 09:19 AM
#60
No lift here.
That said, Mike in Cali and CAlexio had pointed out in a previous thread, although the approach angle is reduced in the 991, the ramp angle is something to consider as evidenced by the chart. That doesn't change my outlook, but may for others.
That said, Mike in Cali and CAlexio had pointed out in a previous thread, although the approach angle is reduced in the 991, the ramp angle is something to consider as evidenced by the chart. That doesn't change my outlook, but may for others.