Autoweek/Andy Pilgrim 991 GT3 vs Z/28 at Barber Motorsport Park
03-26-2014 | 12:19 PM
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My guess: plenty will be available for $45k three years from now. 1. Btw, the article says they plan to make 3000 of them. If they still sell like hot cookies (especially after a $85k Z06 comes out), I'm sure GM will make more.
2. I fail to see the market GM is targeting with this car. Your typical Camaro muscle car fan will go for the cheaper and more powerful ZL1. Your typical track rat will get scared by the 500lbs extra weight and go for the Vette.
2. I fail to see the market GM is targeting with this car. Your typical Camaro muscle car fan will go for the cheaper and more powerful ZL1. Your typical track rat will get scared by the 500lbs extra weight and go for the Vette.
2. The "market" is in your face posting this comment. I'll not make the obviously applicable follow-up comment.
03-26-2014 | 12:39 PM
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03-26-2014 | 01:53 PM
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My RSA is not for sale
03-26-2014 | 02:02 PM
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A. No replacement for displacement (also uttered by someone well known on this forum
Hint- he designs GT3's)B. Light is right.
Absolutely incredible time to be a car-guy.
03-26-2014 | 02:04 PM
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03-26-2014 | 02:15 PM
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This is closer to what I am thinking
750hp and 2750 lbs
http://www.httsupercar.com/the-pleth...scription.html
03-26-2014 | 02:59 PM
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This is closer to what I am thinking
750hp and 2750 lbs
http://www.httsupercar.com/the-pleth...scription.html
750hp and 2750 lbs
http://www.httsupercar.com/the-pleth...scription.html
Do they exist in the wild? Am I close at $500k?
03-26-2014 | 03:10 PM
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You don't get to pick and choose, it was OE vs OE. Different tires on the Porsche? Ok, then the Z/28 gets a dual-clutch transmission. It's only fair, if you want to play that game.
I'll let you do your own homework to answer your question: "please tell me why Chevy did not have the fore thought to offer that as an option?". You'll extend the answer (fair play) to explain why Porsche does not offer the Clubsport option in the US won't you?
30-40F temps are optimal conditions for tire performance?
You mention safety features, what is a 911 bodied car's NHTSA crash rating? Go ahead, take your time, find it. Actually you won't find it. In fact, you won't find anything for a 991 GT3 or for that matter any Porsche crash ratings. Curious people wonder why? Go ahead, look up 2014 Camaro crash ratings, you'll find it. Talk to me about "basic safety features"?
How many track days did I get when tracking Trofeo's on a GT3? Or a Boxster Spyder? The answers are there for those who seek facts. Will the Z/28 bevel it's brake pads like the 991 GT3 does when tracked necessitating brake maintenance after only 2 track days? Will oversized Ferrari/Corvette style ceramic rotors last longer than the (now properly sized) 991 GT3 rotors? Will a 1 of 500, 2014, car depreciate? Or appreciate?
All fair, objective, non-emotional questions that that thoughtful people might consider.
As a car-guy, not a Porsche guy or a Chevy guy, I think about these things.
I'll let you do your own homework to answer your question: "please tell me why Chevy did not have the fore thought to offer that as an option?". You'll extend the answer (fair play) to explain why Porsche does not offer the Clubsport option in the US won't you?
30-40F temps are optimal conditions for tire performance?
You mention safety features, what is a 911 bodied car's NHTSA crash rating? Go ahead, take your time, find it. Actually you won't find it. In fact, you won't find anything for a 991 GT3 or for that matter any Porsche crash ratings. Curious people wonder why? Go ahead, look up 2014 Camaro crash ratings, you'll find it. Talk to me about "basic safety features"?
How many track days did I get when tracking Trofeo's on a GT3? Or a Boxster Spyder? The answers are there for those who seek facts. Will the Z/28 bevel it's brake pads like the 991 GT3 does when tracked necessitating brake maintenance after only 2 track days? Will oversized Ferrari/Corvette style ceramic rotors last longer than the (now properly sized) 991 GT3 rotors? Will a 1 of 500, 2014, car depreciate? Or appreciate?
All fair, objective, non-emotional questions that that thoughtful people might consider.
As a car-guy, not a Porsche guy or a Chevy guy, I think about these things.
+1.
Pete, i think rennlist has acquired a lot of Porsche trolls. You know what they say, don't feed the trolls !
03-26-2014 | 03:11 PM
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"The Camaro found its greatest time gains in the high-speed corners and the trickiest transitions -- places where a car has to give you plenty of confidence to really lean on it. Take a look at Turns 9, 11, 12, and 13 -- these are white-knucklers."
So the way I interpret this, chebbie did a helluva job getting all it could out of this chassis by suspension tuning. Sounds like they really took advantage of those fancy dampers. If Ford can put Fox suspension on its badass Raptor, and now chebbie with its trick race dampers, why doesn't porsche spec some badass motons/ohlins etc for their gt cars?
Frankly, I find the mullet car interesting. It would be loads of fun chasing gtrs, porsche turbos, gt3s and ubiquitous bmws riding in the fat kid.
I broke out pics of frayed circa 1986 and showed them to the wife. I explained how great I looked with my hockey hair. She has no idea what's coming next.
So the way I interpret this, chebbie did a helluva job getting all it could out of this chassis by suspension tuning. Sounds like they really took advantage of those fancy dampers. If Ford can put Fox suspension on its badass Raptor, and now chebbie with its trick race dampers, why doesn't porsche spec some badass motons/ohlins etc for their gt cars?
Frankly, I find the mullet car interesting. It would be loads of fun chasing gtrs, porsche turbos, gt3s and ubiquitous bmws riding in the fat kid.
I broke out pics of frayed circa 1986 and showed them to the wife. I explained how great I looked with my hockey hair. She has no idea what's coming next.
03-26-2014 | 03:27 PM
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Another Canadian car for under 100k
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/others/...2211.html#main
03-26-2014 | 03:57 PM
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I'm sure some of you are wondering when the GM fan boy was going to come in here. Honestly, I love the 991 GT3 (especially when Porsche fixes it once and for all) and I think the Z/28 is an awesome engineering and development exercise and can obviously dance, made all the more impressive by it's relatively older chassis/platform and relatively high weight for track work.
What gets me excited is how serious GM has become with track performance, durability, reliability, and engineering. I continue to hope and pray for a true track version of the C7 Z06 or ZR1. I know the C7 Z06 with Z07 package is going to kick major a**, but I want some factory race seats, cage, weight reduction, etc. in the C7. Will save me and many others time and hassle by going to inferior aftermarket solutions.
What gets me excited is how serious GM has become with track performance, durability, reliability, and engineering. I continue to hope and pray for a true track version of the C7 Z06 or ZR1. I know the C7 Z06 with Z07 package is going to kick major a**, but I want some factory race seats, cage, weight reduction, etc. in the C7. Will save me and many others time and hassle by going to inferior aftermarket solutions.