Originally Posted by R.Deacon

How about this solution :

All 2014 that have been delivered , will get engines replaced including 6 year warranty
All cars yet to be built (that have not left the factory) sold as 2015 with standard warranty.
Porsche needs to reward the early guys for their brand loyalty and make it worth while to keep the car
This whole privileged dilemma should be fun ,
the last new GT3 997 model was 2011, hello ,

Originally Posted by RossL

Good to know. I'm seriously considering EU delivery for my RS and will keep this in mind.

Originally Posted by Nick

Those of you claiming a 458 can be had for $200,000 can you direct me to where I can find the car/cars?

Originally Posted by 0Q991

@Silverrules -- PCNA (after I called them twice--bc they never confirmed to call me back...) told me a couple of weeks ago that cars are stored outdoors at ports. BUT, she seemed VERY unsure about that general blanket answer. My dealer (in LA) told me immediately after I asked that all affected cars are stored indoors and locked away.

If anyone else has confirmation, it would he great to hear. @Nick?

Originally Posted by neanicu

I know that Kramer was kidding about the Loctite,but this^^^is an excellent description. The bolts expand with heat and need to be torqued in a specific pattern and at a specific torque. I'm not sure about the rod bolts,but for head bolts,they need to be tighten at different torque specs and pattern step by step,until the desired torque is reached.
In the case of a high performance engine,revving to 9K RPM,allow me to believe Porsche engineers are facing a difficult challenge right now,that will need a long time of testing to be proven permanent.

Originally Posted by Mike in CA

Due respect, and not to single out your post, but I'm sure all of us with 991 GT3's in our garages, at dealers, or on the docks enjoy getting advice from those who don't about what we should do with our cars. Or maybe it's just me. I doubt I'd otherwise be able to make a big financial decision like that all on my own.

I'm not sure what motivates y'all to come here and be so generous with your suggestions but I certainly do appreciate them. In fact, I've read those suggestions so many times now that I've committed them to memory and there's really no need for anyone to waste their valuable time repeating them, again. To keep it going though, maybe someone could start their own thread on the subject (the 997 forum would be a great place for it) and people could +1 each other about it to their heart's content. Sorry, don't mean to be rude and offer unsolicited advice.

Yeah, that was kind of snarky....it's late, I'm tired.....oh well, I'll just have to regret it tomorrow.

Originally Posted by the_vetman

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Like Pete Stout, I haven't read all of the 3000 posts in this thread.. but why is it that droves of people - who have already explicitly said they have no interest in 991 GT3, won't be buying one, can't afford one, have canceled their order, etc., etc., - continue to post in the 991 GT3 forum over and over and over again bitching and moaning at how the new GT3 is an utter POS and Porsche is the anti-christ??

Look, you don't like the 991 GT3 - we get it. You hate Porsche - we get it. You (many and you know who you are..) have said so dozens and hundreds of times already. Give it a fvcking rest, man... and let the current owners and those who actually want to buy one discuss it out.

You hate Porsche and how they've treated you or how they handled things in the past. Fine, then sell your 997 GT3 and buy something else instead of bitching online all day in the 991 GT3 forum. Sell your Porsche and move onto something else... please. Ferrari, Vette, Z28, Aston, whatever (who cares)...

I'm sure many of you will come up with various excuses. I'll need a replacement in the future; no, we're voicing our displeasure where Porsche is headed; I'm genuinely curious and concerned about the actual facts and wish nothing but the best for everyone who has or ordered one; blah blah blah. If you have no interest in the 991 GT3, shut up and let it be unless you've got something positive or constructive to add. You hate Porsche? Good! Sell, buy something else, and STFU!! It got old last year.

For the record, I don't have a skin in this game. I don't own a 991 GT3 nor do I have one on order. I monitor the forum because it's an exciting time with a new GT3 launch (which hasn't gone well so far) and because everyone who's ever driven it has said it's ****ing awesome. TBH, I'd much rather have a 997 GT3 (even my pick-up truck is a manual!!!) but all the raving reviews about 991 GT3 have me intrigued. So I stand back and observe. You don't like it? Then stick to 996/997 GT3 forums instead of bitching all day, everyday, on the 991 GT3 forum. Quite simple, really.

Originally Posted by 0Q991

What comes first? The first car post engine swap back on the road? Or 5,000 posts to this thread?

Originally Posted by naroescape

Out of a very weird sense of curiosity, I've read through much of this thread on my free time late at night. It's kind of interesting how the mood has swung - psychologists would be amused....

I think this comment from kaamacat went largely unnoticed, but WOULD be a plausible explanation. If, for example, something was done incorrectly by a human or machine, and the incorrectness was intermittent - i.e. the power torque wrench sometimes worked, sometimes didn't, but nobody reported it or it never got a big 'red flag' in production, or Hans had a bad night, broken finger, etc...whatever - its VERY possible that they don't know EXACTLY which engines are affected. Maybe only a dozen or less. Or maybe only those 2. Problem is, they don't know. So in order to make sure they covered all their bases, they are recalling every one.

Or, maybe the torque spec is soooo close to being wrong that it will most likely never fail, but if it DOES fail, the consequences are catastrophic. Who knows, maybe there was a change in equipment, personnel, procedure, etc.

Any of these scenarios would also explain why so many of you have flogged their cars with no issues. It may well be there IS no issue in any of them, but Porsche can't take that chance.

I have been involved with lean manufacturing/JIT procedures in many companies. The upside is the cost savings...the downside is the fear that the workers have in holding up the line for ANY reason. If they hold it up, and they are wrong in their concerns, they cost the company tons of money. Most won't speak up.

Since this is all speculation, and I'm sure we will NEVER know the real answer....just thought I would throw this out too.

Originally Posted by rubbaman

Here's something I thought about at 4 am while I lie awake with RL threads running through my head. (I already said I was a sick man) The reason PAG has been so secret and slow to inform GT3 owners and everyone for that matter is probably not because they like being arrogant or thoughtless. Much has been said on RL how their news releases and information flow has been a PR nightmare, and HOW NOT TO DO IT. Agreed. This news dissemination particularly the compensation news and time tables will coninue to be painfully slow. IMHO. The reason might very well be that we are talking about publicly traded companies and the rules they have to follow regarding insider information. Whether you are talking about Porsche Automobil Hldg-Prf or VW AG. Any information that gets leaked to dealers or insiders is concerning. People who act on this information (remember Martha Stewart?) can and do get prosecuted. So the reason the dealers don't know anything? They can't know. Hey, if they were to start telling everyone what the compensation will be, the time delay for the motors, the lost production time, the cost to replace all the motors, etc., etc. (Mind you all the questions I would love answers to!) I know a lot of savvy people out there who can figure real quickly what a hit to their earnings this might be. They are going to trickle out public news as they see fit when and only when it has the least potential impact on the earnings outlook. That does not mean they are not working as fast as possible to remedy the situation, only that we (GT3 owners, soon to be GT3 owners and dealers) will all be the bozos on the bus waiting for the next juicy bit of news. Sometimes, thanks to our astute Rennlisters, we can get insider information from sources that speak off the record. I like that. Just don't trade the stock on it! Where is Martha by the way?

Originally Posted by Mike in CA

You make a good point. I know we all just want our cars fixed, *NOW*, but the cold hard fact is that this whole situation from the investigation, to the analysis, to the fix, to the implementation of the fix, isn't just complex from an engineering, manufacturing, and logistical standpoint, but is also interconnected with legal and financial concerns.

Most all of us wish this had never happened or had somehow been caught in advance but that train has left the station. The reality of the thing is that the resolution, if it is to be done properly, takes time. Just be thankful that Porsche isn't pulling a GM at this point.

Originally Posted by 0Q991

My dealer (in LA) told me immediately after I asked that all affected cars are stored indoors and locked away.

If anyone else has confirmation, it would he great to hear. @Nick?