911dev

Yeah, same recycled stuff. However, did hear 630 something units, up from initial forecast and def. $180k base. Intro Geneva, production Q2. For what it's worth.

Drifting

I don't understand that answer. Even the RS 4.0 only produced 339 lb-ft of torque.

I don't understand why a new DFI 4.0L engine might not produce a bit more torque than the famous RS 4.0? Sure it won't be making 500 lb-ft of torque, but maybe they can achieve 350 of torque with the newest RS?

Macca

expect it to headline 340-342lbft but with 20-30lbft more from 2500-4500rpm. Increase in line with % of capacity change. I think you will find PAG left something in the table with the torque in the 991 GT3 which headlines same as 3.8S motor even though HP is almost 20% greater. Its very hard to find free torque here whilst maintaining reliable 9000 rpm redline...

neanicu

When it comes to torque you have to look where the peak is made in the RPM range. As far as I know,in NA high revving engines the peak torque is made in the higher RPM. So even though there is a high probability it will have slightly more torque it won't be usable on the street.

GrantG

The if the new motor is 4.0L with a similar redline (9k), it will have at least 5.3% more torque (displacement increase). Also, the rumors suggest lower gearing and lower weight, so the extra 5.3% torque will be further improved to the road through greater torque multiplication of the gearing. And the lower overall weight contributes to even better torque to weight ratio.

In summary, the extra torque will be noticeable and very useable on the street with 7 low and close gears.

Macca

Grant....so that would be 340-342lbft then :-)

Gearing aside (as the 991 GT3 has 7 close stacked ratios compared to CS3.8 and makes same nominal peak torque) I would expect to see the biggest benefits as a fattening and flattening of the torque curve between 2500-4500 rpm which indeed will improve the cars performance on road and track. The peak toque rpm I dont see as being as critical to the drive-ability as it will still be short of the nominal peak hp which i should imagine will be closer to 8400rpm if the RS does indeed have a 4.0L engine as seems to be most likely....

GrantG

One of the nice benefits of a displacement increase is that the additional torque will be available across the entire rev range (idle to redline), given similar or even slightly more aggressive cam profiles.

GrantG

So I guess we have confirmed 4.0L then

TRAKCAR

In 997 3.8RS VS 4.0 that is what made it faster.

At the track when maybe it was a toss up in the 3.8RS between gears exiting a corner, the 4.0 was clearly in the higher gear.
Plus it has a much more linear power band, felt that also..

Almost the same speed as a GT2RS due to less shifting but so much nicer and linear, PDK will make the difference in feel smaller between 4.0 and Turbo. I almost think the new GT2RS will be a bigger improvement over the 997 because of that..

plasticsdoc

Just got a call from my dealership/owner. Porsche called on monday and did confirm three details
1) 4.0L
2) Base price $180k US
3) Expect delivery August 2015

Jamie140

Canadian dealers have management meetings this weekend and may learn more details.

mrsullivan

So these are facts from the owner of a dealership... No BS, take it to the bank facts? Not speculation? If so, great news on the 4.0

Macca

Very interesting developments.

August is a bloody long time to wait. My 991 GT3 will have been with me almost 2 years by then!

For cars to be landed/delivered state side August production must most certainly be gearing up for April/May? They will be getting the entire run out of the way after Geneva and before re tooling in August for 991.2 generation then....

I guess the early speculation we all made/heard about he RS being 50K more than the GT3 is about right given the average USA specced 991 GT3 with tax seems to be hovering in the early 150Ks and the 991 GT3RS specced and taxed will probably sit in the mid 190Ks.

Thats alot of money to have on the track and above my pay grade (and above my maximum track insurance cover). With an additional 35bhp, 16-18lbft torque, slightly lighter with lower COG and much more aggressive aero you should think a 'Ring time of well under 7.20 is a reality surely. The 991 GT3 was 7.25 published and the RS with those improvements has to be worth closer to 8-10s a lap surely. I would wager 7.15-18 published - wether it is replicable I have no idea as Manu in teh other thread has been trying for a 7.26 in his Speciale for a few attempts now (getting very close so it looks possible) but his only real attempt in the new to him 991 GT3 was 7.31 IIRC and he commented he thought 7.25 was a tad ambitious. He should know as Ive never seen an amature get any closer and even Sport Auto posted around 7.30 and didnt indicate there was a lot more in there (7.28 on a good day maybe?).

Fuel for more speculation :-)

plasticsdoc

They are I talked to the general manager I have had several cars from them. Owner was brothers college roommate and they have never been wrong they quoted porsche north america as source. also did say 500hp. I believe absolutely credible. They did not no numbers of production or how the 918 VIP would affect the cars.

A430v

There was supposedly a dealer meeting in Vegas involving GMs and executives at PCNA. So I would take the info that's coming out as pretty credible. Why do you think the RS mules were literally spotted right after the meeting?

Tactical tease/reveal.