991.2 Gt3 to 718 Clubsport
12-30-2019, 12:10 AM
#76
Originally Posted by gt38088
agree re 991gt3 on slicks but most won't run slicks due to warranty issues so while its not a fair comparison but its the real situation
12-30-2019, 12:26 AM
#77
[QUOTE=kkabba;16320260][quote=Mr. Turtles]On the larger tracks, WGI for instance, the 991.2 GT3 on slicks is definitely faster in an experienced drivers hands than the 996 Cups or 981 Clubsport....
Fake News.
Haha that’s funny, so original. Like all of us I‘m just sharing experiences and as others have said the 981 Clubsports lack some torque. I guess you are attending faster events than me. Anyone at Cups and Saucers last couple years know the facts.
And unless I was asleep this summer I didn’t see any Clubsports running 1:24s at a PCA DE event at Mosport. If you ever actually ever attended a UCR event at Mosport you would know the most cars running in the Black advanced DE group were more than 1.30s because of traffic. No disrespect to the club.....great people, well organized and very friendly but The UCR PCA club is not that fast and many in black are running 944s and non GT cars. The only carS running in low 1:20’s at a PCA event at Mosport were Radicals during the advanced DE part of the club race.
Keep up your trolling. See you in spring/summer at a DE event with Chin (red group) or advanced DE (Cups n Saucers, Niagara Region, etc) and we will see if you can actually run the times you say. I’ll be in the Red 3.2 with a large wing on the back...not hiding from anyone and not racing anyone. Just out to have fun and learn more about my car. If you are as fast as you say I’ll be the first to point you by, no problem.
Happy New Year.
Fake News.
And unless I was asleep this summer I didn’t see any Clubsports running 1:24s at a PCA DE event at Mosport. If you ever actually ever attended a UCR event at Mosport you would know the most cars running in the Black advanced DE group were more than 1.30s because of traffic. No disrespect to the club.....great people, well organized and very friendly but The UCR PCA club is not that fast and many in black are running 944s and non GT cars. The only carS running in low 1:20’s at a PCA event at Mosport were Radicals during the advanced DE part of the club race.
Keep up your trolling. See you in spring/summer at a DE event with Chin (red group) or advanced DE (Cups n Saucers, Niagara Region, etc) and we will see if you can actually run the times you say. I’ll be in the Red 3.2 with a large wing on the back...not hiding from anyone and not racing anyone. Just out to have fun and learn more about my car. If you are as fast as you say I’ll be the first to point you by, no problem.
Happy New Year.
12-30-2019, 12:57 AM
#78
Originally Posted by Mr. Turtles
Haha that’s funny, so original. Like all of us I‘m just sharing experiences and as others have said the 981 Clubsports lack some torque. I guess you are attending faster events than me. Anyone at Cups and Saucers last couple years know the facts.
And unless I was asleep this summer I didn’t see any Clubsports running 1:24s at a PCA DE event at Mosport. If you ever actually ever attended a UCR event at Mosport you would know the most cars running in the Black advanced DE group were more than 1.30s because of traffic. No disrespect to the club.....great people, well organized and very friendly but The UCR PCA club is not that fast and many in black are running 944s and non GT cars. The only carS running in low 1:20’s at a PCA event at Mosport were Radicals during the advanced DE part of the club race.
Keep up your trolling. See you in spring/summer at a DE event with Chin (red group) or advanced DE (Cups n Saucers, Niagara Region, etc) and we will see if you can actually run the times you say. I’ll be in the Red 3.2 with a large wing on the back...not hiding from anyone and not racing anyone. Just out to have fun and learn more about my car. If you are as fast as you say I’ll be the first to point you by, no problem.
Happy New Year.
And unless I was asleep this summer I didn’t see any Clubsports running 1:24s at a PCA DE event at Mosport. If you ever actually ever attended a UCR event at Mosport you would know the most cars running in the Black advanced DE group were more than 1.30s because of traffic. No disrespect to the club.....great people, well organized and very friendly but The UCR PCA club is not that fast and many in black are running 944s and non GT cars. The only carS running in low 1:20’s at a PCA event at Mosport were Radicals during the advanced DE part of the club race.
Keep up your trolling. See you in spring/summer at a DE event with Chin (red group) or advanced DE (Cups n Saucers, Niagara Region, etc) and we will see if you can actually run the times you say. I’ll be in the Red 3.2 with a large wing on the back...not hiding from anyone and not racing anyone. Just out to have fun and learn more about my car. If you are as fast as you say I’ll be the first to point you by, no problem.
Happy New Year.
As for cars in Black group at UCR not breaking 1:30, I cannot confirm either way as we do not time our laps at UCR. But having attended other track events at Mosport with similar flow of traffic, and where lap timers are permitted, me and my group of friends, who are for the most part in Black group at UCR, we would do anywhere between 1:26 to 1:29 depending on what cars we brought that day.
Finally the 1:24 lap time at Mosport in a 718 Clubsport is what IMSA pro drivers lap Mosport. I will likely never be able to do that. But my point is that this is incredibly quick at Mosport, and as we know that is as quick of a track as they come.
A 991.2 GT3 is an incredible street car and a very capable track car - but it lacks a motorsports suspension/shocks. Coupled with racing slicks and a motorsports suspension a GT3 in the hands of a pro driver could no doubt meet or beat 1:24 at Mosport.
And happy new year to you too.
Last edited by kkabba; 12-30-2019 at 09:02 AM.
12-30-2019, 06:39 AM
#79
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Danny at Hankook recommended to me the 250/640R18 and 300/680R18. To be honest the 300 looks like it might be tight. Have not mounted a set yet, I still have transport tires on and my spares package hasn't arrived. The 280/680R18 looks like a closer fit to the Michelin 27/68-18 that Porsche recommends. I've seen Pirelli DH in 305 on some cars so maybe won't be an issue.
12-30-2019, 01:00 PM
#80
Personally i think it's a no brainer, if you're not using the GT3 on the street anyway, I'd have the GT4 CS MR.
From my experience of other track cars out at spa, the driver gt4cs combo is usually faster, it's the twisty stuff out back they make time in.
Tim
From my experience of other track cars out at spa, the driver gt4cs combo is usually faster, it's the twisty stuff out back they make time in.
Tim
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12-30-2019, 04:06 PM
#81
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Owner of the CS replaced it with a 7.2 RS.
To be fair we're no longer die hard track guys and the hobby has become more occasional. We might have different wants and needs than you and OP.
Objectively a dedicated track/race car will always be better than a street car but personally I need a great engine to be happy.
The engine to me is the centerpiece that makes or break a car.
You could give me an otherwise perfect car with an average engine (eg CS) and I will never be happy.
12-30-2019, 09:29 PM
#83
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found this info on the Hankook site for tire sizing.
https://hankookmotorsports.com/porsche-motorsports/
https://hankookmotorsports.com/porsche-motorsports/
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zedcat (12-30-2019)
01-01-2020, 10:28 AM
#84
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Is it me or there is some glitch on this thread? I subscribed to it and got the usual email after a post from @enoent yesterday. However I don’t see the post on the forum and it won’t update? It was such good info to the point it convinced me to move from my GT3 to a CS. Watch out for my post on marketplace later today!
01-01-2020, 10:40 AM
#85
01-01-2020, 10:59 AM
#86
Correct and this initially confused me! The tech manual says that 98RON/88MON unleaded with up to 10% ethanol is recommended. This is the same as 93 (RON +MON)/2 Super unleaded pump gas which is common in my area (SE Tx). The manual further states if at least 95RON/85MON is available the engine knock sensors and DME will adjust timing.
01-01-2020, 11:08 AM
#87
Is it me or there is some glitch on this thread? I subscribed to it and got the usual email after a post from @enoent yesterday. However I don’t see the post on the forum and it won’t update? It was such good info to the point it convinced me to move from my GT3 to a CS. Watch out for my post on marketplace later today!
05-26-2020, 04:56 PM
#88
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Thread Starter
Figured I would update this thread now that I have some miles on my 718 Clubsport:
Overall I am happy with the switch from the 991.2 Gt3 to the Clubsport. Most of my miles have been at a local club track (Putnam Park) but I also got it out to Road America last weekend. Before buying the car I was a little concerned about giving up the special character of the high revving GT3 motor. While the clubsport motor clearly does not compete on overall hp, or scream like the GT3 motor, the overall package is more fun to drive, even at a big track like Road America. The handling is great and more than makes up for the lower horsepower with more grip. I am already about a second quicker at Putnam in the clubsport than the gt3 on Hoosiers and I am still chasing the perfect setup and conditions. I got a decent baseline setup but am still working on a few tweaks to the roll bar settings that were suggested by a pro coach who drove the car. Other than tires, wear on consumables has been pretty good.
I don’t really have any negatives to report on the car as it meets the criteria I was looking for which is safer than a streetcar, fun and fast, while not being so fast I can’t enjoy it at a public track day. I will mention that getting used to a race car on slicks has been a slight adjustment. The car feels incredible when on fresher tires with good track conditions. As the tires age or track conditions deteriorate, the car definitely looses that magic feeling of precision where you feel like you can nail every apex lap after lap.
Finally, I chose the Pirelli slicks based on what I had read on how long they last. I have been using the new DHB compound and so far have not had any problems with flats. I have been careful to stay away from curbing on the first couple laps and don’t start with super low pressures. They feel incredible on the first few heat cycles and still feel great up up until 7-9 heat cycles. I ran my older set of tires up to 14 heat cycles at Road America and they weren’t perfect but also were still very usable. I definitely felt a fall off in grip through some of the braking zones and the carousel and imagine a set of stickers would have yielded 2+ seconds per lap at RA.
I would love to hear feedback from other clubsport owners, especially regarding the Michelin’s as I am going to try out a set soon.
Overall I am happy with the switch from the 991.2 Gt3 to the Clubsport. Most of my miles have been at a local club track (Putnam Park) but I also got it out to Road America last weekend. Before buying the car I was a little concerned about giving up the special character of the high revving GT3 motor. While the clubsport motor clearly does not compete on overall hp, or scream like the GT3 motor, the overall package is more fun to drive, even at a big track like Road America. The handling is great and more than makes up for the lower horsepower with more grip. I am already about a second quicker at Putnam in the clubsport than the gt3 on Hoosiers and I am still chasing the perfect setup and conditions. I got a decent baseline setup but am still working on a few tweaks to the roll bar settings that were suggested by a pro coach who drove the car. Other than tires, wear on consumables has been pretty good.
I don’t really have any negatives to report on the car as it meets the criteria I was looking for which is safer than a streetcar, fun and fast, while not being so fast I can’t enjoy it at a public track day. I will mention that getting used to a race car on slicks has been a slight adjustment. The car feels incredible when on fresher tires with good track conditions. As the tires age or track conditions deteriorate, the car definitely looses that magic feeling of precision where you feel like you can nail every apex lap after lap.
Finally, I chose the Pirelli slicks based on what I had read on how long they last. I have been using the new DHB compound and so far have not had any problems with flats. I have been careful to stay away from curbing on the first couple laps and don’t start with super low pressures. They feel incredible on the first few heat cycles and still feel great up up until 7-9 heat cycles. I ran my older set of tires up to 14 heat cycles at Road America and they weren’t perfect but also were still very usable. I definitely felt a fall off in grip through some of the braking zones and the carousel and imagine a set of stickers would have yielded 2+ seconds per lap at RA.
I would love to hear feedback from other clubsport owners, especially regarding the Michelin’s as I am going to try out a set soon.
05-26-2020, 06:06 PM
#89
Originally Posted by 991DUC
Figured I would update this thread now that I have some miles on my 718 Clubsport:
Overall I am happy with the switch from the 991.2 Gt3 to the Clubsport. Most of my miles have been at a local club track (Putnam Park) but I also got it out to Road America last weekend. Before buying the car I was a little concerned about giving up the special character of the high revving GT3 motor. While the clubsport motor clearly does not compete on overall hp, or scream like the GT3 motor, the overall package is more fun to drive, even at a big track like Road America. The handling is great and more than makes up for the lower horsepower with more grip. I am already about a second quicker at Putnam in the clubsport than the gt3 on Hoosiers and I am still chasing the perfect setup and conditions. I got a decent baseline setup but am still working on a few tweaks to the roll bar settings that were suggested by a pro coach who drove the car. Other than tires, wear on consumables has been pretty good.
I don’t really have any negatives to report on the car as it meets the criteria I was looking for which is safer than a streetcar, fun and fast, while not being so fast I can’t enjoy it at a public track day. I will mention that getting used to a race car on slicks has been a slight adjustment. The car feels incredible when on fresher tires with good track conditions. As the tires age or track conditions deteriorate, the car definitely looses that magic feeling of precision where you feel like you can nail every apex lap after lap.
Finally, I chose the Pirelli slicks based on what I had read on how long they last. I have been using the new DHB compound and so far have not had any problems with flats. I have been careful to stay away from curbing on the first couple laps and don’t start with super low pressures. They feel incredible on the first few heat cycles and still feel great up up until 7-9 heat cycles. I ran my older set of tires up to 14 heat cycles at Road America and they weren’t perfect but also were still very usable. I definitely felt a fall off in grip through some of the braking zones and the carousel and imagine a set of stickers would have yielded 2+ seconds per lap at RA.
I would love to hear feedback from other clubsport owners, especially regarding the Michelin’s as I am going to try out a set soon.
Overall I am happy with the switch from the 991.2 Gt3 to the Clubsport. Most of my miles have been at a local club track (Putnam Park) but I also got it out to Road America last weekend. Before buying the car I was a little concerned about giving up the special character of the high revving GT3 motor. While the clubsport motor clearly does not compete on overall hp, or scream like the GT3 motor, the overall package is more fun to drive, even at a big track like Road America. The handling is great and more than makes up for the lower horsepower with more grip. I am already about a second quicker at Putnam in the clubsport than the gt3 on Hoosiers and I am still chasing the perfect setup and conditions. I got a decent baseline setup but am still working on a few tweaks to the roll bar settings that were suggested by a pro coach who drove the car. Other than tires, wear on consumables has been pretty good.
I don’t really have any negatives to report on the car as it meets the criteria I was looking for which is safer than a streetcar, fun and fast, while not being so fast I can’t enjoy it at a public track day. I will mention that getting used to a race car on slicks has been a slight adjustment. The car feels incredible when on fresher tires with good track conditions. As the tires age or track conditions deteriorate, the car definitely looses that magic feeling of precision where you feel like you can nail every apex lap after lap.
Finally, I chose the Pirelli slicks based on what I had read on how long they last. I have been using the new DHB compound and so far have not had any problems with flats. I have been careful to stay away from curbing on the first couple laps and don’t start with super low pressures. They feel incredible on the first few heat cycles and still feel great up up until 7-9 heat cycles. I ran my older set of tires up to 14 heat cycles at Road America and they weren’t perfect but also were still very usable. I definitely felt a fall off in grip through some of the braking zones and the carousel and imagine a set of stickers would have yielded 2+ seconds per lap at RA.
I would love to hear feedback from other clubsport owners, especially regarding the Michelin’s as I am going to try out a set soon.
What tire pressures did you find optimal (cold and hot).
Thanks!
05-26-2020, 06:21 PM
#90
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Started off first session 23 cold but have to come back in after maybe 5-7 laps to bleed down pressure. Targeting 29-30 hot pressure. I am conservative on starting pressure given what I heard about tire failure.