SterlingatBOM

This. There is a fix in changing the design of the valve train but there’s no point implementing in when there’s 5-6 years of warranty left.

itrsteve

Here was my logic as it was a big internal debate for me:
1. Do you want a PDK? If so, proceed.
2. What's the price delta right now between a 991.1 and 991.2? I'm sure you'll find it sits in the 40-50k range on average
3. Worst case scenario - what does an engine replacement cost out of warranty? You'll find it's in the range of the dollar value in #2, oddly enough
3a. Do you want to pay in full now for an event that may never even happen after 2024?
4. How much fun is there to be had in the next 5 years driving the living snot out of it?
5. Not to open up the future value can of worms -- But which one has more room to fall? Realistically ask yourself in 5 years with cars evolving into complete crap - how low can an NA monster that revs to 9k really go?
6. Dundon pretty much had a solid lifter design complete prior to the warranty announcement - hell of a time to refresh and take care of whatever displacement upgrades they'll have as options

BryanCO

While I agree with the general sediment of not focusing on future value and just enjoying the car, it’s hard not to consider it when looking at the .1 GT3. No doubt it’s a great car and a good value. But, I would absolutely expect the resale market to discount the car due to the unknown/risk associated with the .1 engine. Assuming the .2 depreciates over the next few years and with the number built, most expect it to, a .1 buyer would likely expect a larger delta than typically exists between the .1 and .2 of a particular generation.

If money wasn’t really an issue, I would get a .2, regardless if it was PDK or MT.

mjdcolo

How much does that cost? might be too much to be worth the deal.

I thought they fixed the engine problem with the 2016, 991.2, correct? They’re not that much more expensive than the .1’s.

robmypro

I have 33k miles on my 2015. Original engine. In 5 years i will probably have 60k miles. If the engine hasn’t ate itself by then it probably never will. And if it has i am golden with the new one. More than any other GT3 these cars are drivers.

Cay_PI

If the engine lasts 10 years and then fails (... and porsche doesn't take car then what I doubt) I would never regret hading this 10 years of funs. Then I would swap in a 4.0 engine (about 20k € on ebay right now) and tune the hell out of it
If the problem persits, there will be aftermarket fixes. And the chances to get a brand new engine in year 9 is also present.

So many things that can happen. But one is for sure - the fun you can have now with that excellent sounding and revving engine without worring or paying for warranty is worth every penny.

FastLaneTurbo

I drove my 2014 GT3.1 27,000 Miles before trading it for my GT3.2. Both are GREAT cars - IMHO, (and those of many reviewers)
the best sports cars ever built by Porsche, and my continuous Porsche ownership goes back to my 1963 and my 356B Coupe
and includes most Turbos, GT3's and GT2's. If you want to determine the GT3.1's value after 2024, see what prices are for the
2004 or earlier GT3's. You will notice they are still very close to their original costs. ALL GT Models will depreciate LESS than any
other Porsche production model. Approximately 3,500 GT3.1's were produced and I believe fewer than 100 Engines failed, most
from the earliest GT3 Engine versions. For a 9,000 RPM highly stressed Track-thrashed Engine, that is still a VERY small number at 3%.
You are covered with a "free" replacement Engine by Porsche to 2024 and have a 97% probability of reliability after that date and
a 100% probability of great enjoyment and low depreciation. IMHO 991.1 or 991.2 GT3's are great investments now as used cars.
Buy what you can afford, enjoy it, and never look back.

robmypro

I see one for $35k for a 4L. PDK is $11k. I would probably go that route. I wonder how hard to get the .1 GT3 to work with the .2 4L? ECU flash?

itrsteve

Jamie has already hinted around taking the 3.8 MA175 to 4.0 or higher, it's the whole reason they cracked one open in the first place.

It's a heck of a "while you're in there" sort of job.

I suspect they'll have a healthy queue of business come 2024.

robmypro

Yeah, Dundon will have their solution too. Should be interesting to see how this plays out. I am sure there will be lots of options for .1 owners. I personally would probably just opt for a used 4L out of a .2, but we'll see.

itrsteve

I would be curious what that would end up looking like from a cost perspective. Especially without a core charge, the MA175 comes in around $25k as it is.

RDCR

You forgot #7: it's still the best looking GT3!

lazrgato

Prefer the .1 aesthetics as well. ))))

Cay_PI

ECU is included in most offers. Lowest one is below 20k euros.

In the german pff forum is a guy with a 4.0 fittet in a Cayman. Its possible but maybe a bit of programming needed.

robmypro

That is awesome. Thanks!