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Interesting, thanks for the insight. Attached is a photo of the rollbar I’m referring to.
The US-approved anchor bar in the 600LT is just that, and does not have the integrated roll hoop as was offered as a factory installed option for the 675 (unapproved for US but approved in Canada). It would therefore appear, at least in 2016, that there were different safety regulations between the countries.
Thanks, never seen a full half cage here in Canada in my neck of the woods. Don't think anyone near here ordered one at all, the buyers weren't tracking them anyways, it's a C&C car for them. The 600LT harness bar however I have seen in person.
I went over all that with AP at Goodwood, he pretended at least to be pained by the lack of willingness or ability by Porsche to do what others do so easily.
And even Ford sell “off-road performance” in a box.
Andy is sooooo diplomatic
But more like they don't want to get sued. Not after the CGT thingy.
Thanks, never seen a full half cage here in Canada in my neck of the woods. Don't think anyone near here ordered one at all, the buyers weren't tracking them anyways, it's a C&C car for them. The 600LT harness bar however I have seen in person.
I have the 675LT half cage as per pic above, and so does my buddy in his 675LT that we both track. They are 2 of 3 675LTs in Canada ordered with clubsport pro pack that has the OEM Titanium half cage.
You really missed the mark here Waxer.
And we can all agree that the GT2RS is faster on any track, all the time, driver for driver, tire for tire.
Pete: Not sure where I missed the mark. Please enlighten me.
1. I conceded that all things equal the 2RS is faster....again all things equal. It should be with a 170hp and 140 lb/tq advantage. No big surprise there.
2. I pointed out and it was noted by others that it was a surprise the 3RS kept it as close as it did at RA which (a) favors high hp cars (b) is 1000ft above sea level draining at least 3-4% of the NA cars hp, the fact the 3RS did not have mag wheels which at full tilt does make a difference.
3. I pointed out the observation of others here that at DE the 3RS's have been seen to set the fastest lap of the day despite 2RS's being there and running.
4. Posted videos of the 3RS hanging with the 2RS at Spa at a DE in same run group. If you want to argue the 3RS driver was better, that's fine. That proves my point. If they were equal amature drivers that also proves my point that the maximum potential of the 3RS is more accessible to armatures. While Pete S. felt differently my bet is his driving skills are above most armatures as are yours (so you are disqualified. ).
5. On most other tracks the 3RS is within 1-2 seconds of the 2RS.
6. Those time differentials on most tracks is small enough that it can be made up by a mistake, slightly better driver or tires. See #4.
7. Other reviewers have noted the 3RS is easier to approach its limits for most. Not my opinion but my observation.
7. Price and power differential is disproportionate to the track time differentials it seems to me. Disclaimer-my opinion.
8. Measure of "potency" depends on what you are measuring. Sheer power, track performance all things being equal, ability of the average DE warrior to exact maximum performance, performance per dollar? What's the metric?
Just the facts Ma 'm. Just the facts. No bias (well maybe a little )
Yes context matters and the context we’re discussing is not about the capabilities of drivers, either pro or amateur, it’s about the capabilities of the cars. And as far as that context goes the GT2RS is the most capable car as evidenced by its ultimate pace and subsequent track records around race tracks. I know you love your 3RS Waxer, and rightly so, but give the 2RS its due.
I conceded all things equal 2RS is faster. I only fight fights I can win. Yes. You win.
Now give the 3RS some love.
I have the 675LT half cage as per pic above, and so does my buddy in his 675LT that we both track. They are 2 of 3 675LTs in Canada ordered with clubsport pro pack that has the OEM Titanium half cage.
Toronto. Mosport (Canadian Tire Motorsport Park) is my home track, have you been? Super fast track.
Once it's a bit warmer and tires get a bit stickier will see which weapon a regular DE guy like myself is faster around this fast track between my GT2RS and my 675LT.
A GT2 is a blast to drive, the acceleration from corner to corner is rediculously fun. With my Cargraphic 997 GT2, down the long Mosport straight, I would drive by 99% of the cars and the GT3's looked as if they had let off. Carrying so much speed into the corners, the biggest challenge was depth perception, braking skills, and corner entry.. mid corner and corner exit was not a problem.
Although I turned pretty decent lap times, was I the fastest out there, no.. did I have fun, yes very much so.
I now have a 3RS.2, no question it will turn faster laps then that GT2, still would prefer the new GT2 RS, regardless of lap times vs. 3 RS. The acceleration, the thrill of driving a 700HP GT2 would be amazing.
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