Road America in GT2 RS & GT3 RS
#197
Rennlist Member
Interesting, thanks for the insight. Attached is a photo of the rollbar I’m referring to.
The US-approved anchor bar in the 600LT is just that, and does not have the integrated roll hoop as was offered as a factory installed option for the 675 (unapproved for US but approved in Canada). It would therefore appear, at least in 2016, that there were different safety regulations between the countries.
The US-approved anchor bar in the 600LT is just that, and does not have the integrated roll hoop as was offered as a factory installed option for the 675 (unapproved for US but approved in Canada). It would therefore appear, at least in 2016, that there were different safety regulations between the countries.
#198
Race Director
I can understand that from Porsche but I wish they left the mounting plates and points under the carpet on the body like the row cars have.
McLaren don't have roll bars. It's their 6 point anchor bar. Not just the 675LT, but the 600LT can also be ordered with such an item.
Somehow McLaren got their 6 point belt anchor bar certified for North America without padding, USA included.
BMW got around the law with a piece of foam zip tied onto their roll cage.
Porsche refused to do such a Mickey Mouse thing like BMW did. (straight quote from them, exact wording from Weissach).
Somehow McLaren got their 6 point belt anchor bar certified for North America without padding, USA included.
BMW got around the law with a piece of foam zip tied onto their roll cage.
Porsche refused to do such a Mickey Mouse thing like BMW did. (straight quote from them, exact wording from Weissach).
#199
Rennlist Member
Andy is sooooo diplomatic
But more like they don't want to get sued. Not after the CGT thingy.
#200
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
Thanks, never seen a full half cage here in Canada in my neck of the woods. Don't think anyone near here ordered one at all, the buyers weren't tracking them anyways, it's a C&C car for them. The 600LT harness bar however I have seen in person.
#201
Nordschleife Master
1. I conceded that all things equal the 2RS is faster....again all things equal. It should be with a 170hp and 140 lb/tq advantage. No big surprise there.
2. I pointed out and it was noted by others that it was a surprise the 3RS kept it as close as it did at RA which (a) favors high hp cars (b) is 1000ft above sea level draining at least 3-4% of the NA cars hp, the fact the 3RS did not have mag wheels which at full tilt does make a difference.
3. I pointed out the observation of others here that at DE the 3RS's have been seen to set the fastest lap of the day despite 2RS's being there and running.
4. Posted videos of the 3RS hanging with the 2RS at Spa at a DE in same run group. If you want to argue the 3RS driver was better, that's fine. That proves my point. If they were equal amature drivers that also proves my point that the maximum potential of the 3RS is more accessible to armatures. While Pete S. felt differently my bet is his driving skills are above most armatures as are yours (so you are disqualified. ).
5. On most other tracks the 3RS is within 1-2 seconds of the 2RS.
6. Those time differentials on most tracks is small enough that it can be made up by a mistake, slightly better driver or tires. See #4.
7. Other reviewers have noted the 3RS is easier to approach its limits for most. Not my opinion but my observation.
7. Price and power differential is disproportionate to the track time differentials it seems to me. Disclaimer-my opinion.
8. Measure of "potency" depends on what you are measuring. Sheer power, track performance all things being equal, ability of the average DE warrior to exact maximum performance, performance per dollar? What's the metric?
Just the facts Ma 'm. Just the facts. No bias (well maybe a little )
Last edited by Waxer; 05-01-2019 at 11:34 PM.
#202
Nordschleife Master
#203
Nordschleife Master
Yes context matters and the context we’re discussing is not about the capabilities of drivers, either pro or amateur, it’s about the capabilities of the cars. And as far as that context goes the GT2RS is the most capable car as evidenced by its ultimate pace and subsequent track records around race tracks. I know you love your 3RS Waxer, and rightly so, but give the 2RS its due.
Now give the 3RS some love.
#204
Nordschleife Master
#205
Rennlist Member
#206
Rennlist Member
#207
Three Wheelin'
#208
Originally Posted by Whoopsy
Good stuff!
East coast?
East coast?
Once it's a bit warmer and tires get a bit stickier will see which weapon a regular DE guy like myself is faster around this fast track between my GT2RS and my 675LT.
#209
Three Wheelin'
A GT2 is a blast to drive, the acceleration from corner to corner is rediculously fun. With my Cargraphic 997 GT2, down the long Mosport straight, I would drive by 99% of the cars and the GT3's looked as if they had let off. Carrying so much speed into the corners, the biggest challenge was depth perception, braking skills, and corner entry.. mid corner and corner exit was not a problem.
Although I turned pretty decent lap times, was I the fastest out there, no.. did I have fun, yes very much so.
I now have a 3RS.2, no question it will turn faster laps then that GT2, still would prefer the new GT2 RS, regardless of lap times vs. 3 RS. The acceleration, the thrill of driving a 700HP GT2 would be amazing.
Although I turned pretty decent lap times, was I the fastest out there, no.. did I have fun, yes very much so.
I now have a 3RS.2, no question it will turn faster laps then that GT2, still would prefer the new GT2 RS, regardless of lap times vs. 3 RS. The acceleration, the thrill of driving a 700HP GT2 would be amazing.