GT car / Salesman - Shiraaz Sookralli - Champion Porsche's VP of Marketing
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But this isn’t fact. It is opinion just like others have. In my opinion your big “what if” is he was lone. I say no way in hell he was lone and when this house of cards comes crashing down you will see all the rats scurrying away like fumigation in a NY subway tunnel. It was $2.5m, plenty of people knew what was going on.
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This is unpopular opinion but I actually don't think champion's actions were as egregious as everyone else states OTHER THAN the fact this guy had a previous scam with the 911R and should have been canned then. He should have been given the boot long before any of this was able to happen, but I also feel this could happen at any dealer and it's not necessarily a "champion" issue.
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Originally Posted by goin2drt
But this isn’t fact. It is opinion just like others have. In my opinion your big “what if” is he was lone. I say no way in hell he was lone and when this house of cards comes crashing down you will see all the rats scurrying away like fumigation in a NY subway tunnel. It was $2.5m, plenty of people knew what was going on.
Keep in mind, $2.5MM is ONLY what he ran off with. Didn't take long to get that kind of number together. Over the past 10 years, there could possibly be $20MM+++ in undeclared revenue, etc.
I agree, everyone knew the game. Even the brokers. They could care less as long as they were getting their cut. They were being paid themselves out of the shill accounts. All these damn brokers in the business and they all talk. Somehow Champion ownership and management never knew brokers were working with Shiraaz?? Common now. Many of us here aren't that gullible.
We've uncovered many facts to dispute the couple naysayers. The evidence is overwhelmingly not looking good for Champions management and ownership.
So we're not supposed to expose this for the sake of 100-150 employees there?? You think Champion will go out of business? This will probably not even affect their sales. Somehow people feel sorry that someone may feel uncomfortable at work having to answer questions related to this, but say nothing about the victims who were defrauded. Oh yeah, they should known better!! Geez. Common.
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Contradict yourself much? The egregious part is them still employing him so yes they are as guilty as the rest, sorry, plain and simple they should have fired the dude after the first issue. When they were aware and allowed him to still work there EGREGIOUS BEHAVIOR Now makes them guilty and just as bad as him. Yet they were just as greedy as him because he was bringing in the bacon.
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He definitely knew the system well enough to find the loopholes and take advantage of his position. I don't know if we'll ever find out how much the dealership knew about his activities or were complicit, but as stated in other posts, someone should have seen it or suspected something. I still find it hard to believe no one noticed the lack of profits or sales in his position.
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But this isn’t fact. It is opinion just like others have. In my opinion your big “what if” is he was lone. I say no way in hell he was lone and when this house of cards comes crashing down you will see all the rats scurrying away like fumigation in a NY subway tunnel. It was $2.5m, plenty of people knew what was going on.
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But this isn’t fact. It is opinion just like others have. In my opinion your big “what if” is he was lone. I say no way in hell he was lone and when this house of cards comes crashing down you will see all the rats scurrying away like fumigation in a NY subway tunnel. It was $2.5m, plenty of people knew what was going on.
It is not this forum that has spurred Champion to do the right thing here. It is their moral and legal obligation to do so. To attack them and the other legitimate and honest employees is premature until the facts are known. As you can see from my experience there yesterday, they are regrouping from this mess and appear to be taking the necessary steps to correct SS's actions as best they can. Remember, Mitra is their new leader, and is inexperienced and is only in his early thirties. They have been getting advice from their legal team and appear to be making some progress.
It appears to me that the only solution to this situation that would have been acceptable to this angry mob on Rennlist would have been Champion calling every party defrauded the day after they found out about this debacle and giving them a new build allocation at MSRP and sending them a bank wire for the deposits lost. This takes time and they cannot manufacture allocations out of thin air.
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Originally Posted by STG
Everyone can have an opinion. Look at what all the collective research uncovered in this whole thread. Maybe you wouldn't have been a fan of the OP starting it. Oh well. People have a right to demand justice when laws have been broken, fraud and theft committed, and posting of public documents that uncover the details.
Don't like it? Go debate PDK vs Manual somewhere.
You've offered ZERO help here in any of the above to help any victims here. Others here have been thanked by the victims in helping expose this. All of which Champion DID ZERO on their own. Never reached out to victims, and wouldn't even take their phone calls. Says something.
Don't like it? Go debate PDK vs Manual somewhere.
You've offered ZERO help here in any of the above to help any victims here. Others here have been thanked by the victims in helping expose this. All of which Champion DID ZERO on their own. Never reached out to victims, and wouldn't even take their phone calls. Says something.
You are correct, everyone can have an opinion. Unfortunately one opinion, that Champion knew about this and sanctioned it for years, is being presented as fact. The actual facts show that this is possible, but it hasn't been proven yet. Personally I will wait until the facts come out before stating with certainty that "they knew".
Reading through the posts, it seems as though the mentality is "let's destroy this dealership" which is way beyond "let's help the victims get their money back". I'm very glad this has come to light, every single victim in this deserves their money back as well as an order slot in my opinion. And I'm very glad that this thread has helped accomplish that. Please don't put words in my mouth. But I don't think the business needs to be burned to the ground before we know all the facts. If it comes out that he was not a lone wolf, and that dealership higher ups knew about this, then yes, they deserve to be lambasted. Until then, I reserve judgement and have some sympathy for all the employees working there that had nothing to do with this.
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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf
I didn't make this personal about you. Don't understand why you're making it personal about me.
You are correct, everyone can have an opinion. Unfortunately one opinion, that Champion knew about this and sanctioned it for years, is being presented as fact. The actual facts show that this is possible, but it hasn't been proven yet. Personally I will wait until the facts come out before stating with certainty that "they knew".
Reading through the posts, it seems as though the mentality is "let's destroy this dealership" which is way beyond "let's help the victims get their money back". I'm very glad this has come to light, every single victim in this deserves their money back as well as an order slot in my opinion. And I'm very glad that this thread has helped accomplish that. Please don't put words in my mouth. But I don't think the business needs to be burned to the ground before we know all the facts. If it comes out that he was not a lone wolf, and that dealership higher ups knew about this, then yes, they deserve to be lambasted. Until then, I reserve judgement and have some sympathy for all the employees working there that had nothing to do with this.
You are correct, everyone can have an opinion. Unfortunately one opinion, that Champion knew about this and sanctioned it for years, is being presented as fact. The actual facts show that this is possible, but it hasn't been proven yet. Personally I will wait until the facts come out before stating with certainty that "they knew".
Reading through the posts, it seems as though the mentality is "let's destroy this dealership" which is way beyond "let's help the victims get their money back". I'm very glad this has come to light, every single victim in this deserves their money back as well as an order slot in my opinion. And I'm very glad that this thread has helped accomplish that. Please don't put words in my mouth. But I don't think the business needs to be burned to the ground before we know all the facts. If it comes out that he was not a lone wolf, and that dealership higher ups knew about this, then yes, they deserve to be lambasted. Until then, I reserve judgement and have some sympathy for all the employees working there that had nothing to do with this.
Fair enough. I'm not one that's advocating them "burning to the ground". I think that where there is smoke, there's fire.
I think many here are just frustrated with the whole environment which fostered scams like this to happen. PCNA, ADM's, the brokers, the greedy dealers, and the snakes who come out of the woodwork to take advantage of people. PCNA has done near zero to remedy any of the drama that surrounds its "halo models". If anything, has gotten worse for the .2's. They are the enablers who use the above to further their best interest with little regard to the buyers of their cars.
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This is what was listed as the "Management Team" up until he left. Not that large. Just like many small businesses.
I guess Shiraaz could easily have flown under the radar and, yeah he was a nice guy that we'd see around once in a while. He had an office somewhere. lol. He'd be driving around flashy cars all the time as well. The guy was listed as a Vice President of Marketing!! For the largest Porsche dealer in the USA. I'm not stupid.
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I guess Shiraaz could easily have flown under the radar and, yeah he was a nice guy that we'd see around once in a while. He had an office somewhere. lol. He'd be driving around flashy cars all the time as well. The guy was listed as a Vice President of Marketing!! For the largest Porsche dealer in the USA. I'm not stupid.
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Definitely too much overconfident speculation in this thread. These things take time to investigate properly, and I'll wait for the results of a thorough investigation before forming an opinion about the dealership.
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I think many here are just frustrated with the whole environment which fostered scams like this to happen. PCNA, ADM's, the brokers, the greedy dealers, and the snakes who come out of the woodwork to take advantage of people. PCNA has done near zero to remedy any of the drama that surrounds its "halo models". If anything, has gotten worse for the .2's. They are the enablers who use the above to further their best interest with little regard to the buyers of their cars.
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What's the total volume of the dealership? I'm guessing that these couple dozen deals were small potatoes compared the dealer's overall volume.
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Fair enough. I'm not one that's advocating them "burning to the ground". I think that where there is smoke, there's fire.
I think many here are just frustrated with the whole environment which fostered scams like this to happen. PCNA, ADM's, the brokers, the greedy dealers, and the snakes who come out of the woodwork to take advantage of people. PCNA has done near zero to remedy any of the drama that surrounds its "halo models". If anything, has gotten worse for the .2's. They are the enablers who use the above to further their best interest with little regard to the buyers of their cars.
I think many here are just frustrated with the whole environment which fostered scams like this to happen. PCNA, ADM's, the brokers, the greedy dealers, and the snakes who come out of the woodwork to take advantage of people. PCNA has done near zero to remedy any of the drama that surrounds its "halo models". If anything, has gotten worse for the .2's. They are the enablers who use the above to further their best interest with little regard to the buyers of their cars.
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