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Old 01-21-2018, 11:02 AM
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Something tells me PAG may not be making money on the PTS option, despite what they presently charge. The logistical cost quantified may come out to be much larger than a couple grand (it ain't just "paint"), when one factors in parts holding time and special handling, etc.

Everyone who's been to the factory will attest to everything being truly JIT. That, and one won't really know if the Zuffenhausen paint plant (can handle the vast number of colors in the PTS palette... don't forget craft too--remember the problems with UV?

PTS also seems to be a market-specific option. It's getting great reception in the Americas hence PCNA's pushing hard for it. Contrast that with Porsche China, which is giving a big fat "NO" to all PTS (at least for the special cars which they know will sell one way or another...)
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Originally Posted by CRex
Something tells me PAG may not be making money on the PTS option, despite what they presently charge. The logistical cost quantified may come out to be much larger than a couple grand (it ain't just "paint"), when one factors in parts holding time and special handling, etc.
Correct. All of the RLers who love to talk about Porsche's windfall from the PTS price increase have not even a clue about the PTS process and costs. My favorite was the members talking about how the PTS price increase would pay for dieselgate. Beyond clueless.
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Originally Posted by DRPM

i am very thankful that mine made it thru the PTS / CXX process

just arrived @ the dealer on Friday

Best of luck to those still in production.

Oh man!

Will it drive you nuts to wait for April?
Old 01-21-2018, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Es macht nichts
Correct. All of the RLers who love to talk about Porsche's windfall from the PTS price increase have not even a clue about the PTS process and costs. My favorite was the members talking about how the PTS price increase would pay for dieselgate. Beyond clueless.
Well in fairness, most people aren't very well versed with the ins and outs of their own cars, let alone a PTS process. Speculation and hearsay is fine, as long as it's corrected and not propagated.
Old 01-21-2018, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GT3


Congrats. I hope mine makes it still without delay.

Is that a GT3 Touring next to yours? Looks like they got aluminum trim with black wheels and bits. WHY? Poor car...
thanks

The red one is a "real" GT3

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Originally Posted by Jamie140
Oh man!

Will it drive you nuts to wait for April?
Indeed!

3+ months at least till all this snow melts and the streets get cleaned up.

I'm just happy it made it thru the system etc.

when is yours expected?
Old 01-21-2018, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
In case the side decal is nixed.. carreradecals has them in any color for $40.. seriously.. it's vinyl. I just ordered silver ones
Thanks! I'll tuck that nugget away should it need to be reapplied or I change the colours.
Ultimately the idea of the stripe showing as a CXX on the build and certificate of authenticity appeals to me.

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Pretty good deal, considering said decal (obviously factory installed) is...$1435
Oh wow, then it's a deal here in Canada at just $1540..... or ~$1220 US.
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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhale
Previously, there was a PTS order-stop on all Zuffenhausen cars until April (or after) allocations. Now there is a PTS order-stop on all Zuffenhausen cars regardless of the allocation month.

There is, however, this one exception: GT cars are permitted to have PTS on August (or later) allocations. Only GT cars. Normal 911/718's are under PTS order-stop.

If you have a PTS allocation in V215 or V250 status, you have nothing to be concerned with.
Mine was V180 forever then PCNA placed in V110 to "allow changes", whcih was actually a good thing as I changed the PTS color then added CXX and am still in V110. When my SA asked PCNA to release it to V180, they said they are doing that in batches. My CXX has been approved by PAG and a code generated. My build date is May. Do you know if there is a chance my PTS and CXX will be denied because of the reported stop sale?
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When you asked PCNA to re-open your V180 allocation, you started from scratch again. Here's how the codes work:

V110 means your dealer has submitted an order into PVMS and your order has "Text Handling" which needs to be reviewed and approved. On most configurations with normal color offerings, boxes are simply checked; the computer system can approve orders with normal colors and checked boxes. The computer system cannot handle "text handling." Text handling means a written message has been entered into the system and someone needs to review that message and make sure it's feasible and makes sense. When your dealer writes in a specific PTS color, that's "text handling." Anytime a note is written within the order, that is considered "text handling." If your order is in V110 status, it simply means you've requested something special and the software wants clarification and approval from the regional importer.

V180 is the next step. V180 means your regional importer (PCNA, etc.) has reviewed your written request (the "text" that needs to be "handled" within the order), and they have approved the special request. In V180, the dealer is no longer able to make changes to the order, unless you request PCNA to re-open the allocation. By doing so, you start from scratch and other orders can jump in your cue. In PTS orders, a V180 status generally means your regional importer has: 1) verified the color you requested is approved for that model; 2) verified the paint code entered matches the color imputed (Olive Green/274 - both match); 3) verified that PTS is available for the allocation month of your order (a request for PTS on a March allocation Turbo S will be denied, however a September allocation GT3 will be approved); 4) the rest of the configuration is feasible and the factory can permanently lock the order in V215 status for the remainder of the time until the normal freeze date passes and the allocation moves to V250.

V215 is the next step. V215 means the factory has now reviewed and approved your order, as well. Your order is now locked in V215 status, and the factory begins to order materials and coordinate paint/production schedules. Trying to change an allocation in V215 status is exceptionally difficult and usually not accepted. If materials have already been ordered for your allocation, it will absolutely not be permitted.

Once your order goes to V215, you are normally in the clear.

V250 means your allocation is readied for actual production. Materials from around the world have been ordered, produced and confirmed. Everything is ready for your car to be assembled.

However, NOTHING is set in stone, ever. The production of your car requires the synchronizing and assembly of thousands of parts, both within the factory and at world-wide suppliers. For example, the magnesium roof on the GT3RS is cut by POSCO in Korea, then travels to Canada for forming, then to the US for coating and eventually ends up on a robotic trolly on the factory floor at precisely the right time. That single piece of magnesium travels to 4 countries and 3 continents. There are an infinite number of suppliers involved and the transportation of those materials from suppliers to the factory is a highly complicated process. To bring all those pieces together at exactly the perfect moment (Just in Time) when your vehicle is at a very particular place on the assembly line is a truly stunning process.

Hopefully this helps clarify a subject enshrouded in confusion and mystery.
Old 01-21-2018, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhale
When you asked PCNA to re-open your V180 allocation, you started from scratch again. Here's how the codes work:

V110 means your dealer has submitted an order into PVMS and your order has "Text Handling" which needs to be reviewed and approved. On most configurations with normal color offerings, boxes are simply checked; the computer system can approve orders with normal colors and checked boxes. The computer system cannot handle "text handling." Text handling means a written message has been entered into the system and someone needs to review that message and make sure it's feasible and makes sense. When your dealer writes in a specific PTS color, that's "text handling." Anytime a note is written within the order, that is considered "text handling." If your order is in V110 status, it simply means you've requested something special and the software wants clarification and approval from the regional importer.

V180 is the next step. V180 means your regional importer (PCNA, etc.) has reviewed your written request (the "text" that needs to be "handled" within the order), and they have approved the special request. In V180, the dealer is no longer able to make changes to the order, unless you request PCNA to re-open the allocation. By doing so, you start from scratch and other orders can jump in your cue. In PTS orders, a V180 status generally means your regional importer has: 1) verified the color you requested is approved for that model; 2) verified the paint code entered matches the color imputed (Olive Green/274 - both match); 3) verified that PTS is available for the allocation month of your order (a request for PTS on a March allocation Turbo S will be denied, however a September allocation GT3 will be approved); 4) the rest of the configuration is feasible and the factory can permanently lock the order in V215 status for the remainder of the time until the normal freeze date passes and the allocation moves to V250.

V215 is the next step. V215 means the factory has now reviewed and approved your order, as well. Your order is now locked in V215 status, and the factory begins to order materials and coordinate paint/production schedules. Trying to change an allocation in V215 status is exceptionally difficult and usually not accepted. If materials have already been ordered for your allocation, it will absolutely not be permitted.

Once your order goes to V215, you are normally in the clear.

V250 means your allocation is readied for actual production. Materials from around the world have been ordered, produced and confirmed. Everything is ready for your car to be assembled.

However, NOTHING is set in stone, ever. The production of your car requires the synchronizing and assembly of thousands of parts, both within the factory and at world-wide suppliers. For example, the magnesium roof on the GT3RS is cut by POSCO in Korea, then travels to Canada for forming, then to the US for coating and eventually ends up on a robotic trolly on the factory floor at precisely the right time. That single piece of magnesium travels to 4 countries and 3 continents. There are an infinite number of suppliers involved and the transportation of those materials from suppliers to the factory is a highly complicated process. To bring all those pieces together at exactly the perfect moment (Just in Time) when your vehicle is at a very particular place on the assembly line is a truly stunning process.

Hopefully this helps clarify a subject enshrouded in confusion and mystery.
That’s a fantastic explanation !! Thanks for taking the time to put that together.
Old 01-21-2018, 04:13 PM
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Fantastic summary, thanks!
Old 01-21-2018, 04:17 PM
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Great explanation. I remember my sales associate told me changing PTS color is a big no no. At V180 was told changing colors could risk the PTS allocation. Other than color, option changes are no problem, as I made a few at V180, again color a big no no.
Old 01-21-2018, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhale
When you asked PCNA to re-open your V180 allocation, you started from scratch again. Here's how the codes work:

V110 means your dealer has submitted an order into PVMS and your order has "Text Handling" which needs to be reviewed and approved. On most configurations with normal color offerings, boxes are simply checked; the computer system can approve orders with normal colors and checked boxes. The computer system cannot handle "text handling." Text handling means a written message has been entered into the system and someone needs to review that message and make sure it's feasible and makes sense. When your dealer writes in a specific PTS color, that's "text handling." Anytime a note is written within the order, that is considered "text handling." If your order is in V110 status, it simply means you've requested something special and the software wants clarification and approval from the regional importer.

V180 is the next step. V180 means your regional importer (PCNA, etc.) has reviewed your written request (the "text" that needs to be "handled" within the order), and they have approved the special request. In V180, the dealer is no longer able to make changes to the order, unless you request PCNA to re-open the allocation. By doing so, you start from scratch and other orders can jump in your cue. In PTS orders, a V180 status generally means your regional importer has: 1) verified the color you requested is approved for that model; 2) verified the paint code entered matches the color imputed (Olive Green/274 - both match); 3) verified that PTS is available for the allocation month of your order (a request for PTS on a March allocation Turbo S will be denied, however a September allocation GT3 will be approved); 4) the rest of the configuration is feasible and the factory can permanently lock the order in V215 status for the remainder of the time until the normal freeze date passes and the allocation moves to V250.

V215 is the next step. V215 means the factory has now reviewed and approved your order, as well. Your order is now locked in V215 status, and the factory begins to order materials and coordinate paint/production schedules. Trying to change an allocation in V215 status is exceptionally difficult and usually not accepted. If materials have already been ordered for your allocation, it will absolutely not be permitted.

Once your order goes to V215, you are normally in the clear.

V250 means your allocation is readied for actual production. Materials from around the world have been ordered, produced and confirmed. Everything is ready for your car to be assembled.

However, NOTHING is set in stone, ever. The production of your car requires the synchronizing and assembly of thousands of parts, both within the factory and at world-wide suppliers. For example, the magnesium roof on the GT3RS is cut by POSCO in Korea, then travels to Canada for forming, then to the US for coating and eventually ends up on a robotic trolly on the factory floor at precisely the right time. That single piece of magnesium travels to 4 countries and 3 continents. There are an infinite number of suppliers involved and the transportation of those materials from suppliers to the factory is a highly complicated process. To bring all those pieces together at exactly the perfect moment (Just in Time) when your vehicle is at a very particular place on the assembly line is a truly stunning process.

Hopefully this helps clarify a subject enshrouded in confusion and mystery.
Great post! So why would an order go from V215 back to V200 if no changes were requested? Mine did this and the production timing moved out a month at the same time.
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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhale
When you asked PCNA to re-open your V180 allocation, you started from scratch again. Here's how the codes work:

V110 means your dealer has submitted an order into PVMS and your order has "Text Handling" which needs to be reviewed and approved. On most configurations with normal color offerings, boxes are simply checked; the computer system can approve orders with normal colors and checked boxes. The computer system cannot handle "text handling." Text handling means a written message has been entered into the system and someone needs to review that message and make sure it's feasible and makes sense. When your dealer writes in a specific PTS color, that's "text handling." Anytime a note is written within the order, that is considered "text handling." If your order is in V110 status, it simply means you've requested something special and the software wants clarification and approval from the regional importer.

V180 is the next step. V180 means your regional importer (PCNA, etc.) has reviewed your written request (the "text" that needs to be "handled" within the order), and they have approved the special request. In V180, the dealer is no longer able to make changes to the order, unless you request PCNA to re-open the allocation. By doing so, you start from scratch and other orders can jump in your cue. In PTS orders, a V180 status generally means your regional importer has: 1) verified the color you requested is approved for that model; 2) verified the paint code entered matches the color imputed (Olive Green/274 - both match); 3) verified that PTS is available for the allocation month of your order (a request for PTS on a March allocation Turbo S will be denied, however a September allocation GT3 will be approved); 4) the rest of the configuration is feasible and the factory can permanently lock the order in V215 status for the remainder of the time until the normal freeze date passes and the allocation moves to V250.

V215 is the next step. V215 means the factory has now reviewed and approved your order, as well. Your order is now locked in V215 status, and the factory begins to order materials and coordinate paint/production schedules. Trying to change an allocation in V215 status is exceptionally difficult and usually not accepted. If materials have already been ordered for your allocation, it will absolutely not be permitted.

Once your order goes to V215, you are normally in the clear.

V250 means your allocation is readied for actual production. Materials from around the world have been ordered, produced and confirmed. Everything is ready for your car to be assembled.

However, NOTHING is set in stone, ever. The production of your car requires the synchronizing and assembly of thousands of parts, both within the factory and at world-wide suppliers. For example, the magnesium roof on the GT3RS is cut by POSCO in Korea, then travels to Canada for forming, then to the US for coating and eventually ends up on a robotic trolly on the factory floor at precisely the right time. That single piece of magnesium travels to 4 countries and 3 continents. There are an infinite number of suppliers involved and the transportation of those materials from suppliers to the factory is a highly complicated process. To bring all those pieces together at exactly the perfect moment (Just in Time) when your vehicle is at a very particular place on the assembly line is a truly stunning process.

Hopefully this helps clarify a subject enshrouded in confusion and mystery.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I’ve had the same PTS color in my order since November, which was still V110 then. Then the first week of December it went to V180+, but got factory to allowed to make some changes to include to 2 CXX options, which turned it back to V110. PAG approved the CXX options and provided UDB ID code. As of this past Friday (2 days ago) was told everything is all good, still April production,, just waiting to get to V180. Then read this here and thought “F*****ck”

Now I’m here wondering if orders like mine will be honored or rejected next week...
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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhale
When you asked PCNA to re-open your V180 allocation, you started from scratch again. Here's how the codes work:

V110 means your dealer has submitted an order into PVMS and your order has "Text Handling" which needs to be reviewed and approved. On most configurations with normal color offerings, boxes are simply checked; the computer system can approve orders with normal colors and checked boxes. The computer system cannot handle "text handling." Text handling means a written message has been entered into the system and someone needs to review that message and make sure it's feasible and makes sense. When your dealer writes in a specific PTS color, that's "text handling." Anytime a note is written within the order, that is considered "text handling." If your order is in V110 status, it simply means you've requested something special and the software wants clarification and approval from the regional importer.

V180 is the next step. V180 means your regional importer (PCNA, etc.) has reviewed your written request (the "text" that needs to be "handled" within the order), and they have approved the special request. In V180, the dealer is no longer able to make changes to the order, unless you request PCNA to re-open the allocation. By doing so, you start from scratch and other orders can jump in your cue. In PTS orders, a V180 status generally means your regional importer has: 1) verified the color you requested is approved for that model; 2) verified the paint code entered matches the color imputed (Olive Green/274 - both match); 3) verified that PTS is available for the allocation month of your order (a request for PTS on a March allocation Turbo S will be denied, however a September allocation GT3 will be approved); 4) the rest of the configuration is feasible and the factory can permanently lock the order in V215 status for the remainder of the time until the normal freeze date passes and the allocation moves to V250.

V215 is the next step. V215 means the factory has now reviewed and approved your order, as well. Your order is now locked in V215 status, and the factory begins to order materials and coordinate paint/production schedules. Trying to change an allocation in V215 status is exceptionally difficult and usually not accepted. If materials have already been ordered for your allocation, it will absolutely not be permitted.

Once your order goes to V215, you are normally in the clear.

V250 means your allocation is readied for actual production. Materials from around the world have been ordered, produced and confirmed. Everything is ready for your car to be assembled.

However, NOTHING is set in stone, ever. The production of your car requires the synchronizing and assembly of thousands of parts, both within the factory and at world-wide suppliers. For example, the magnesium roof on the GT3RS is cut by POSCO in Korea, then travels to Canada for forming, then to the US for coating and eventually ends up on a robotic trolly on the factory floor at precisely the right time. That single piece of magnesium travels to 4 countries and 3 continents. There are an infinite number of suppliers involved and the transportation of those materials from suppliers to the factory is a highly complicated process. To bring all those pieces together at exactly the perfect moment (Just in Time) when your vehicle is at a very particular place on the assembly line is a truly stunning process.

Hopefully this helps clarify a subject enshrouded in confusion and mystery.
Thanks for the explanation, glad my PTS is now sitting at V250. No question now she's getting built.


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