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Appreciate it Waxer. You were clearly right on with 2016. I enjoy both cars and numbers especially when it comes to Porsche so it’s natural I would track every VIN in the US. We’ll see with .2 3RS but I don’t think I’m too far off and am willing to take the slack if I’m wrong.
As for color, my WP 3RS did literally lock today, guess what color haha.
it’s hard to believe they’ve actually been able to produce anywhere near ~900 NA examples of 3RS in ~80 operating days.
It would be interesting to know what you are projecting as the final reserved VIN number of the 3RS bank. There is likely not many more then ~200 3RS deliveries to date for the US. I’d still stick with ~950 total N.A. production at the end. 2RS being similar to 3RS at ~950 for N.A. does make sense as production began ~6 months earlier then 3RS did.
If there are 914 3RS "produced" VINs as of now, how could there only be 950 at the end? What is the production date of the 914th VIN? If they continue producing well into 2019, wouldn't it be conceivable that there could be double the current #?
Does anyone have reliable information/speculation on when production for RS (both GT2 and GT3) will cease?
I'm a little confused. I thought a VIN was assigned when a car is in the timeline of being produced (right before production or during production or right after production). Are you saying a block of VINs (in this specific case 914) are "reserved" at the onset and then PAG produces the VIN as orders come in, yet not in a numerically sequential fashion? If that is correct, then all 914 VINs have an allocation assigned to them (by every NA dealer).
My question still stands that if production goes well into 2019, wouldn't the 914 reserved VINs be depleted in the next 3 months? Does PAG then "reserve" another block of VINs then distribute allocations to NA dealers?
there are not 914 3RS produced. They do not built every VIN nor is every vin for the US or N.A.. They reserve a large block of VIN’s to cover expected production. The most recent US 3RS i can see is VIN ending 4985 which finished production on the 6th. The first US demo car was 4064. There are likely only around 200 N.A. 3RS that have been produced out of the block of 922 so far. I would also be interested to know what Pors9 is thinking the final N.A. VIN will be. To get to 950 NA the block must end somewhere around 169000.
The ROW cars have totally different vins and each model of GT car has its own sequence. They build pretty much every car in that range. What if I told you there were 790 cars built for North America as of yesterday?
The ROW cars have totally different vins and each model of GT car has its own sequence. They build pretty much every car in that range. What if I told you there were 790 cars built for North America as of yesterday?
Loess is correct. The NA VINs have no relationship to the ROW VINs - they have their own numerical sequence.
The most current last VIN in the system for NA as of right now is 4978 (and the first is 4061 as we know). That means that for NA there are at the moment 917 VINs issued into the production system for NA (this is not the number actually produced - so for example 4978 has no production date).
As far as the NHTSA system - I can tell you that VIN WP0AF2A96KS167000 exists is their system (did not spend the time yet to determine the highest VIN in their system).
So how many for NA will be produced? I doubt 3,000+ but Porsche obviously leaves its options open to produce as many as they can sell.
It is a reasonable conclusion that they will produce as many as they did for 997.1 GT3 RS ... if they can sell that many.
I'm a little confused. I thought a VIN was assigned when a car is in the timeline of being produced (right before production or during production or right after production). Are you saying a block of VINs (in this specific case 914) are "reserved" at the onset and then PAG produces the VIN as orders come in, yet not in a numerically sequential fashion? If that is correct, then all 914 VINs have an allocation assigned to them (by every NA dealer).
My question still stands that if production goes well into 2019, wouldn't the 914 reserved VINs be depleted in the next 3 months? Does PAG then "reserve" another block of VINs then distribute allocations to NA dealers?
Thanks for all the great information!
See my other posts. NA VINs already exist before the first one is issued into production. So say Porsche plans to start production of a new model for NA in August one can determine the entire 'pool' of 'possible' VINs that will go into production in July. Then a VIN is issued against an order and then a chassis is assigned that VIN. In the old days (when there were shared chassis across models) a chassis would be put on the line and then the VIN stamped in (for example on the gas tank tab) against an order sheet - sort of the same idea.
'reserving another block of VINs' refers to NHTSA. The block reservations tell you something about what the manufacturer may intend. So for example VIN WP0AE2A99KS186000 already exists in the NHTSA system indicating that GT2 RS production is possibly planned to extend into 2019 and could be as many as 1000 units (again did not spend time to determine the highest VIN in the NHTSA system).
Another example of VINs in the NHTSA system v. VINs put into production is that, if a high profile customer wanted VIN 6000 when the natural production sequence ended at VIN 5719 (see Seinfeld RS 4.0 that was at auction in Atlanta - we wrote about this exact case here) Porsche can just issue the VIN into production (and sequence doesn't matter) as long as its already submitted to NHTSA.
Finally, I can tell you from looking at a lot of data that VINs are not always issued into production in matching numerical/time sequence. Just as finished production dates do not occur in numerical/time sequence to issuance into the system.
thanks Pors9 and Loess all good info. We are clearly all on the same page we just have different methods.
790 for 2RS and 3RS combined in N.A. is in line with my estimates as well.
The most current and last VIN I see in the system is actually 4985 which finished production on 11-6-18.
IF they produced or started with 061 that gives us a maximum potential of 925 3RS VIN’s to date. We all agree they do not produce every single VIN so I guess where the confusion comes in as how many of those they actually build. I only see about 30% of any given VIN range being built. So if we start with 164061 and end the range around 168000 they will end up building around 1k for N.A. of which 10-15% will go to Canada.
All good!
Production is an ongoing process that is not worth checking daily as it will change daily (current is 4986 fyi). Best to spot check over time.
Also you seem to be combining GT2RS VIN sequence with the GT3RS VIN sequence? Each of these VIN sequences are at over 900 for NA in the production system. The 790 from Loess I believe refers to GT3RS alone for NA. And I am sure that GT2RS is about the same. So a combined ~1600 units already produced.
A large percentage (anecdotally 95+%) of the VINs issued into production are built.
Also interesting that very few build sheets pull up out of these 925 potential VINs to date.
These are no longer publicly accessible unless the vehicle is listed for sale by a Porsche dealer online (so sites like vinanalytics cant generate them except in those cases). So with not so many used (or new) .2 GT3RS listed online, if your source is public, you are only seeing a very small fraction of the available build sheets.
11-09-2018, 09:49 AM
