Picture of your daily driver?
01-05-2021, 01:33 PM
#1411
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Sadly prices on these are pretty firm reflecting both low supply (originally only 466 were slotted for production for the US, later on increased with a batch of an additional 96, so 562 in total), and strong demand. Production just ended (12/31), and orders were frozen months ago, so at this stage every car has been built. In CA - as we have come to expect a - few dealers peddle them for over MSRP, but rest of the country they are pretty much at full MSRP. I've heard of a few ppl claim they got a nominal discount (1K-2K max) but more or less they are at list.
Would be interesting to see how they fair through Spring as there will likely be a few held by dealers. Price increase over M2C is significant (which to me indicates how good of a value the base car is), but I wouldn't expect a big decrease (if any) as we had seen on the F80/2 M3/4 CS given the delta vs the M3/4 Competition on those cars was nominal. Plus they were all DCT which took away a big buyer base. And an MSRP well into 6-digits for that car didn't help either.
Evo magazine just crowned the M2CS COTY against some serious competition and exotics, and since many (myself included) are not digging the new BMW design language and direction towards massive weight increases on M cars, this can potentially go down as one of the last 'good ol' ///Ms".
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01-05-2021, 02:13 PM
#1412
Burning Brakes
I'm convinced that the M2CS will be the swan song for the M division.
Great pick up! Even better color.
Great pick up! Even better color.
01-05-2021, 02:30 PM
#1413
Racer
01-05-2021, 05:45 PM
#1415
Rennlist Member
Thanks for the complements - really excited and totally agree on the ///M swan song. Nothing in the current or upcoming BMW portfolio even mildly intrigues me, and I say that as a multi-decade long brand ambassador and loyalist.
01-05-2021, 07:54 PM
#1416
That Misano Blue is amazing and agree on this being one of the last great M division drivers cars. Great purchase, I am sure I will be kicking myself for passing on one.
01-05-2021, 08:16 PM
#1418
ok i couldn't resist...if we are talking the M brand, which ive been fond of for over 20 years (and currently own 3 M cars all pictured now in this thread), i will beg to differ on what the all time best are...i believe my 06 ZCP ILB car above is one of the greatest car/motor combos BMW has made...that car has the M branded alcantara, and just shy of 50k miles...it does everything right
the best ever to me is my 13 LRP M3...only 200, this is 1 of 50 with the 6 speed manual...stripper car, only satellite radio and heated seats as options, 6k miles...one of my top 5 cars ever to drive, the last great NA motor M will ever make...a car that i just adore, and frankly has no comparison, i guess thats why they are so coveted
my 2020 M5 Comp is a great DD, love it very much, brutal power, but for a driver's car, the above 2 are the best...only one missing is my E39 M5...had one, let it go, still looking for the right replacement...may not find it w/ current pricing on them (and having bought too many cars recently!)
while the M2 and its variants are great, M1 as well, they dont compare to the 2 M cars shown above, but thats my humble opinion having owned most of them
none of the current M2/3/4 cars compare to these IMO having driven them, owned them, and traded them
i love your new car above, dont get me wrong, but just felt i'd share my 2 cents and over 20 years of M cars, and the only 2 that have stayed
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msos (05-22-2021)
01-05-2021, 09:13 PM
#1420
Thanks! Excited to welcome her alongside the 1///M - which in some ways she is the spiritual successor to.
Sadly prices on these are pretty firm reflecting both low supply (originally only 466 were slotted for production for the US, later on increased with a batch of an additional 96, so 562 in total), and strong demand. Production just ended (12/31), and orders were frozen months ago, so at this stage every car has been built. In CA - as we have come to expect a - few dealers peddle them for over MSRP, but rest of the country they are pretty much at full MSRP. I've heard of a few ppl claim they got a nominal discount (1K-2K max) but more or less they are at list.
Would be interesting to see how they fair through Spring as there will likely be a few held by dealers. Price increase over M2C is significant (which to me indicates how good of a value the base car is), but I wouldn't expect a big decrease (if any) as we had seen on the F80/2 M3/4 CS given the delta vs the M3/4 Competition on those cars was nominal. Plus they were all DCT which took away a big buyer base. And an MSRP well into 6-digits for that car didn't help either.
Evo magazine just crowned the M2CS COTY against some serious competition and exotics, and since many (myself included) are not digging the new BMW design language and direction towards massive weight increases on M cars, this can potentially go down as one of the last 'good ol' ///Ms".
Sadly prices on these are pretty firm reflecting both low supply (originally only 466 were slotted for production for the US, later on increased with a batch of an additional 96, so 562 in total), and strong demand. Production just ended (12/31), and orders were frozen months ago, so at this stage every car has been built. In CA - as we have come to expect a - few dealers peddle them for over MSRP, but rest of the country they are pretty much at full MSRP. I've heard of a few ppl claim they got a nominal discount (1K-2K max) but more or less they are at list.
Would be interesting to see how they fair through Spring as there will likely be a few held by dealers. Price increase over M2C is significant (which to me indicates how good of a value the base car is), but I wouldn't expect a big decrease (if any) as we had seen on the F80/2 M3/4 CS given the delta vs the M3/4 Competition on those cars was nominal. Plus they were all DCT which took away a big buyer base. And an MSRP well into 6-digits for that car didn't help either.
Evo magazine just crowned the M2CS COTY against some serious competition and exotics, and since many (myself included) are not digging the new BMW design language and direction towards massive weight increases on M cars, this can potentially go down as one of the last 'good ol' ///Ms".
01-05-2021, 10:16 PM
#1421
Rennlist Member
The M2 CS on the other hand gives you a transmission choice.
ok i couldn't resist...if we are talking the M brand, which ive been fond of for over 20 years (and currently own 3 M cars all pictured now in this thread), i will beg to differ on what the all time best are...i believe my 06 ZCP ILB car above is one of the greatest car/motor combos BMW has made...that car has the M branded alcantara, and just shy of 50k miles...it does everything right
the best ever to me is my 13 LRP M3...only 200, this is 1 of 50 with the 6 speed manual...stripper car, only satellite radio and heated seats as options, 6k miles...one of my top 5 cars ever to drive, the last great NA motor M will ever make...a car that i just adore, and frankly has no comparison, i guess thats why they are so coveted
my 2020 M%5 Comp is a great DD, love it very much, brutal power, but for a driver's car, the above 2 are the best...only one missing is my E39 M5...had one, let it go, still looking for the right replacement...may not find it w/ current pricing on them (and having bought too many cars recently!)
while the M2 and its variants are great, M1 as well, they dont compare to the 2 M cars shown above, but thats my humble opinion having owned most of them
none of the current M2/3/4 cars compare to these IMO having driven them, owned them, and traded them
i love your new car above, dont get me wrong, but just felt i'd share my 2 cents and over 20 years of M cars, and the only 2 that have stayed
the best ever to me is my 13 LRP M3...only 200, this is 1 of 50 with the 6 speed manual...stripper car, only satellite radio and heated seats as options, 6k miles...one of my top 5 cars ever to drive, the last great NA motor M will ever make...a car that i just adore, and frankly has no comparison, i guess thats why they are so coveted
my 2020 M%5 Comp is a great DD, love it very much, brutal power, but for a driver's car, the above 2 are the best...only one missing is my E39 M5...had one, let it go, still looking for the right replacement...may not find it w/ current pricing on them (and having bought too many cars recently!)
while the M2 and its variants are great, M1 as well, they dont compare to the 2 M cars shown above, but thats my humble opinion having owned most of them
none of the current M2/3/4 cars compare to these IMO having driven them, owned them, and traded them
i love your new car above, dont get me wrong, but just felt i'd share my 2 cents and over 20 years of M cars, and the only 2 that have stayed
Similar to you, I'd put the E46 and E9x up there. Ended up getting a B7 RS4 (which I still have) during the E9x lifecycle which in many ways is the last of its era/kind (high strung NA V-8, manual, AWD) and they too have come to be appreciated over time (CJ might chime in as he has accumulated a few, and is bidding on one on BAT as I type LOL). On the long-dated dream list are the E46 M3 CSL and M3 GTS / CRT, but by the time they are federalizable values would likely have become stratospheric.
Similarly to you, I did let go of my E39 M5 - which I regret, and looking to get back in the game. Likely going to look for a well kept Dinan S2, but there are pretty rare, and command (justifiably) a good penny!
Enjoy those 2 beauties ^^^ in good health! If it ever comes time to part with the LR, you know who to PM
01-06-2021, 01:15 AM
#1422
Rennlist Member
I've just sold my M5 Comp - that has been my daily driver. Great car, everything well done and no issues in almost 2 years of commute. Beautiful Donnington Grey with awesome ceramic brakes (gold colored). Tarragon leather. Everything was great, but for a limited time. After a while, the car did not give me the same feel that I had when I got it. Never owned Bimmer before and wanted to have an M5.There is too much torque and too much weight to enjoy anywhere beyond daily traffic. And, in traffic, torque doesn't o anything for me. I tried to take it to the canyons once, but apart form the great blurb when the exhaust valve was open, that was not as fun as I expected. Also, I ended up using 10% of al electronics the car offers. There is just too much going on. I am glad I ticked the M box, and I truly enjoyed the car, but time to move on.
01-06-2021, 07:12 AM
#1423
All M3 CS / M4 CS were DCT-only. No manuals were ever offered, neither in the US nor ROW.
The M2 CS on the other hand gives you a transmission choice.
Great stable! ^^^ And I hear you - and largely agree. I've been chipping away at owning each gen of the M3, some I have doubled down on, others I will completely skip (certainly the current G80, and probably the E36 unless I land a Euro BRG M3 GT version, as the LTW is IMO gone beyond the realm of reasonable for what it is - the US-only non-M engine kills it for me). I jumped on the F80 train largely because I got one of the 42 6-spd 30 Yahre editions, and have a Macao Blue E30 M3 which this car pays tribute to, so I felt it was a combo that had to be paired, otherwise likely would have skipped the platform. Chris Harris named it the best M3 ever, which raises a lot of eye brows for sure, but I have come to appreciate it for what it is, probably more so after the reveal of the new G80.
Similar to you, I'd put the E46 and E9x up there. Ended up getting a B7 RS4 (which I still have) during the E9x lifecycle which in many ways is the last of its era/kind (high strung NA V-8, manual, AWD) and they too have come to be appreciated over time (CJ might chime in as he has accumulated a few, and is bidding on one on BAT as I type LOL). On the long-dated dream list are the E46 M3 CSL and M3 GTS / CRT, but by the time they are federalizable values would likely have become stratospheric.
Similarly to you, I did let go of my E39 M5 - which I regret, and looking to get back in the game. Likely going to look for a well kept Dinan S2, but there are pretty rare, and command (justifiably) a good penny!
Enjoy those 2 beauties ^^^ in good health! If it ever comes time to part with the LR, you know who to PM
The M2 CS on the other hand gives you a transmission choice.
Great stable! ^^^ And I hear you - and largely agree. I've been chipping away at owning each gen of the M3, some I have doubled down on, others I will completely skip (certainly the current G80, and probably the E36 unless I land a Euro BRG M3 GT version, as the LTW is IMO gone beyond the realm of reasonable for what it is - the US-only non-M engine kills it for me). I jumped on the F80 train largely because I got one of the 42 6-spd 30 Yahre editions, and have a Macao Blue E30 M3 which this car pays tribute to, so I felt it was a combo that had to be paired, otherwise likely would have skipped the platform. Chris Harris named it the best M3 ever, which raises a lot of eye brows for sure, but I have come to appreciate it for what it is, probably more so after the reveal of the new G80.
Similar to you, I'd put the E46 and E9x up there. Ended up getting a B7 RS4 (which I still have) during the E9x lifecycle which in many ways is the last of its era/kind (high strung NA V-8, manual, AWD) and they too have come to be appreciated over time (CJ might chime in as he has accumulated a few, and is bidding on one on BAT as I type LOL). On the long-dated dream list are the E46 M3 CSL and M3 GTS / CRT, but by the time they are federalizable values would likely have become stratospheric.
Similarly to you, I did let go of my E39 M5 - which I regret, and looking to get back in the game. Likely going to look for a well kept Dinan S2, but there are pretty rare, and command (justifiably) a good penny!
Enjoy those 2 beauties ^^^ in good health! If it ever comes time to part with the LR, you know who to PM
i had a b7 rs4, as well as an rs5 (with dual clutch)...the cars felt kind sterile to me after a while...like my e60 m5 did...just didn't do anything for me...could be that i'm more prone to like the M brand, idk
none the less, great first world problems here!
Last edited by handdoc; 01-06-2021 at 07:19 AM.
01-06-2021, 07:14 AM
#1424
I've just sold my M5 Comp - that has been my daily driver. Great car, everything well done and no issues in almost 2 years of commute. Beautiful Donnington Grey with awesome ceramic brakes (gold colored). Tarragon leather. Everything was great, but for a limited time. After a while, the car did not give me the same feel that I had when I got it. Never owned Bimmer before and wanted to have an M5.There is too much torque and too much weight to enjoy anywhere beyond daily traffic. And, in traffic, torque doesn't o anything for me. I tried to take it to the canyons once, but apart form the great blurb when the exhaust valve was open, that was not as fun as I expected. Also, I ended up using 10% of al electronics the car offers. There is just too much going on. I am glad I ticked the M box, and I truly enjoyed the car, but time to move on.
i really like my new one, could be i haven't had a DD in a while i really liked regularly...no canyons here in new england, just bumpy old roads!
i'm not looking for it to be a sports car, just a fun comfy powerful DD, and so far its checking those boxes
i agree on the electronics!
01-06-2021, 01:10 PM
#1425
I've just sold my M5 Comp - that has been my daily driver. Great car, everything well done and no issues in almost 2 years of commute. Beautiful Donnington Grey with awesome ceramic brakes (gold colored). Tarragon leather. Everything was great, but for a limited time. After a while, the car did not give me the same feel that I had when I got it. Never owned Bimmer before and wanted to have an M5.There is too much torque and too much weight to enjoy anywhere beyond daily traffic. And, in traffic, torque doesn't o anything for me. I tried to take it to the canyons once, but apart form the great blurb when the exhaust valve was open, that was not as fun as I expected. Also, I ended up using 10% of al electronics the car offers. There is just too much going on. I am glad I ticked the M box, and I truly enjoyed the car, but time to move on.