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There will be no samples for Arrow blue at any dealerships or elsewhere with PCNA afaik since it is not on the approved PTS list for 9x1 cars. It was special approval for 918 only. And only the one was made--footsoldier's. In his post he mentioned they had made samples of this colour and others (presumably for 918 customers).
Originally Posted by Footsoldier
When i got there, someone more organised than me had asked Porsche the previous week to show him all of the blue colours in the range. So, they had prepared small plastic models painted in different shades, and I got to see them all lined up side by side.
I can't actually remember which of the other colors were which, but Arrow was very close to Voodoo.
But I have not seen these models myself and would be surprised if it was easy to get one in Arrow blue. Your best bet, imo, is to go to a paint shop of good repute, and ask them to make up some sample cards painted in the colours you are interested in. It'll give you a good sense of what they look like, although it's different from seeing painted cars in person.
If you are really willing to invest in the process you need to visit the factory and the museum in Stuttgart. That will give you the best clarity of what color to do.
There is a post on the other PTS guide thread of the PTS "wailing wall" with 16+ blue tints on it.
There will be no samples for Arrow blue at any dealerships
or elsewhere with PCNA afaik since it is not on the approved
PTS list for 9x1 cars. It was special approval for 918 only.
And only the one was made--footsoldier's. In his post he
mentioned they had made samples of this colour and
others (presumably for 918 customers)...
Daniel is correct on color samples of 'Arrow Blue' at any
Porsche dealership. Here is the full story of the 918 customer
that ended up choosing 'Arrow Blue' over 'Voodoo Blue' for
his Spyder:
Originally Posted by Footsoldier
On Arrow Blue (or Blau): I visited the factory in September 2014.
I chose Arrow as first choice (code 305), when helpfully suggested
by concierge as being an historic Porsche color which was closest
to voodoo blue. (That was my pre-visit choice).
They had around 12-15 small 918 shaped models in various shades
of blue to look at, after a previous customer had requested a full
suite of blue choices to be produced.
You could choose any color at all, not just from a shortlist.
'Standard' PTS which Arrow was, then a more difficult and more
expensive PTS, and finally the most expensive being the liquid
metallics. If I recall the prices were EURO €15k, 25k and 40k
respectively, inc Euro tax. Voodoo was my reserve choice just
in case Arrow didn't pass technical tests, which was very unlikely.
It took 4-6 weeks for the Arrow blue to be tested and approved
as a 'standard' PTS, and then I received another sample to look
at, which was to becomes an official part of the factory 918 archive.
I received that on 18 Nov 2014 and signed off order at same date.
So, before the cutoff date of list, which must be linked to production
dates not orders?
I then kept quiet about color choice... and collected car at end
May. At the tail end of 918 production, I emailed Porsche and
they confirmed my car is the only 1 of 918 in Arrow Blue. Which
is nice! Not the only benefit of factory spec trip, but probably
the biggest.
Originally Posted by Footsoldier
This is pretty accurate photo of color, although it does change
in light. This is post detailing and slightly darker and definitely
more shiny than ex-factory.
...Has anybody seen the 991 cars in arrow blue??
I have only seen the Arrow 918 Spyder example...
Voodoo and Arrow look very similar online, but I'd
love to see a side-by-side shot...Color master Eduardo,
what are your personal thoughts on these two shades?
Yes, back on 8/23/2015, these were my thoughts on
'Voodoo' vs 'Arrow':
Originally Posted by Z356
...
1) Anyone that orders a custom paint via PTS can also name it as
he or she wishes: 'Glasurit SB272.20', 'Hot Rod Pink Metallic' or...
'Voodoo Blau'. We assume that the similarly named Toyoya FJ Cruiser
color was the inspiration for that particular request but have no proof.
***
2) 'Arrow Blue' PTS in a recent 918:
***
3) 'Acid/Bahama Blue' from the 1974/1975 epoch:
***
PCA's 'Club Blau' from the recent Limited Edition:
Photos are not definitive proofs of relationships between colors
(lenses, filters, light conditions). These photos are meant to give
reader a small point of reference. Before I order a vehicle in a
PTS color, I would insist in seeing that PTS color on another car,
or large color chip sample, to make certain the hue is acceptable
to YOU!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Originally Posted by Z356
FYI
I have not seen 'Arrow' in person - that is not an approved 981/991
color and was only done on the 918 which executed PTS under
different criteria for their VIP customers.
In general, I am not too wild about 'Voodoo Blue'. We have so
many historical/vintage blue colors to choose from - 'Mexico',
'Maritime', 'Edna', plus the universally loved (although dating
from the 1990's) 'Riviera Blue'. And hopefully soon they'll allow
us to order via PTS 'Club Blau', although I hear PCA is trying to
keep (naturally) that color as an exclusive to that 60th anniversary
model.
But if 'Voodoo Blau' has put a spell on you, by all means go for it.
But I urge anyone that is planning to do so to seek out a recent
'Voodoo Blue' 997, 991 or 981 and see it in person before you
decide!
"Or 'Voodoo Blau'. We assume that the similarly
named Toyoya FJ Cruiser color was the inspiration
for that particular request but have no proof."
Since that date, I have engaged in some very informative
exchanges re: the color formula for Toyota's 'Voodoo' vs
Porsche's 'Voodoo' which I think might be interesting to
others reading this thread:
Originally Posted by Z356
Originally Posted by Four Liter
This is a question for Eduardo ; I know it's been said that Voo Doo
is actually a Toyota color , but I've never seen an FJ Cruiser that
was anywhere near as dark a shade as Voo Doo on a Porsche - is
there more than one shade of ''swimming pool blue '' on Toyotas
or is in fact the Porsche color significantly darker ? Most FJ's I see
look closer to Riviera .
Thanks !
Originally Posted by Dr. G
I would also like to know the answer to this. The FJ cruisers I've
seen in blue are nowhere near as saturated as the Voodoo photo
of the GT3RS.
Originally Posted by Hp1
My understanding is that the colours are different.
They have different paint receipes
Voodoo Porsche is code z12
Voodoo Porsche is 8t6
Originally Posted by Hp1
Correction Toyota is code 8t6
******
1) At least on my part, I have always been kidding when I say that
Z12 'Voodoo Blue' has a proud color history...but at Toyota, not PAG!
It was just my way to tease the owners of these 'Voodoo Blue' Porsches.
To my knowledge, no one has documented, or proven, that the Porsche
color code Z12 is the same as the color 'Voodoo Blue' from the Toyota
FJ cruiser.
2) Hp1: There is no correlation between any other manufacturer's
color code (e.g. Voodoo Toyota 8t6) & the color code Porsche assigns
to a hue that they approve (e.g. Porsche Z12). PAG color code system
is unique to that manufacturers. And it frankly doesn't prove, or disprove,
anything that the internal color codes for 'Voodoo' are not the same at
Toyota & Porsche.
3) PTS is customer driven. So a customer has to request a color
by submitting a sample and then Porsche does a feasibility study
for coverage, fading, et al. on the different surfaces (plastic, steel,
aluminum, magnesium, etc) on a particular Porsche model. It is
then approved or not. If the requested color is NOT a vintage/
historic Porsche color that has a previous association with the
marque (e.g. 'Signal Orange' or 'Gulf Blue'), the requesting PTS
customer can decide WHAT to call the color he/she requested.
So it can be 'Hot Rod Pink Metallic'; or 'Pink Shoe'; or....
'Voodoo Blue'. More than likely the person at PAG that
received the customer's 'Voodoo Blue' sample did not question
the customer's color name designation for it. 'Voodoo' is not a
copyrighted name. So if the customer decided to call it 'Voodoo'
& it's approved by PAG after feasibility study, the requested name
would be also approved for it! The color might be identical to
Toyota's 'Voodoo Blue'...or not. But the customer had the right
to call it that regardless.
4) Having said all of that, it would not surprise me if the original
PTS request for 'Voodoo Blue' (which was done on a .2 997 I believe)
came from someone that thought he/she was trying to duplicate the
FJ Cruiser's color. Whether Z12 indeed approximates Toyota's 'Voodoo'
remains yet to be determined. I encourage someone with the ability
to do a scientific investigation of the colors via a spectrophotometer
to solve this mystery for us.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Marathon, Texas
****
Originally Posted by Z356
Originally Posted by Hp1
Paint recipes
Porsche 'Voodoo'
Toyota 'Voodoo'
Originally Posted by consolidated
Two base tones differ along with slightly different proportions.
I'm pleased to see they're not identical in formula...
Thank you for the two paint formulas Hp1. And why are they not
identical, you may ask? Well, I think it gets back to what I wrote
yesterday. See highlighted text in 'red'!
Originally Posted by Z356
2) Hp1: There is no correlation between any other manufacturer's
color code (e.g. Voodoo Toyota 8t6) & the color code Porsche assigns
to a hue that they approve (e.g. Porsche Z12). PAG color code system
is unique to that manufacturers. And it frankly doesn't prove, or disprove,
anything that the internal color codes for 'Voodoo' are not the same at
Toyota & Porsche.
3) PTS is customer driven. So a customer has to request a color
by submitting a sample and then Porsche does a feasibility study
for coverage, fading, et al. on the different surfaces (plastic, steel,
aluminum, magnesium, etc) on a particular Porsche model. It is
then approved or not. If the requested color is NOT a vintage/
historic Porsche color that has a previous association with the
marque (e.g. 'Signal Orange' or 'Gulf Blue'), the requesting PTS
customer can decide WHAT to call the color he/she requested.
So it can be 'Hot Rod Pink Metallic'; or 'Pink Shoe'; or....
'Voodoo Blue'. More than likely the person at PAG that
received the customer's 'Voodoo Blue' sample did not question
the customer's color name designation for it. 'Voodoo' is not a
copyrighted name. So if the customer decided to call it 'Voodoo'
& it's approved by PAG after feasibility study, the requested name
would be also approved for it! The color might be identical to
Toyota's 'Voodoo Blue'...or not. But the customer had the right
to call it that regardless.
4) Having said all of that, it would not surprise me if the original
PTS request for 'Voodoo Blue' (which was done on a .2 997 I believe)
came from someone that thought he/she was trying to duplicate the
FJ Cruiser's color. Whether Z12 indeed approximates Toyota's 'Voodoo'
remains yet to be determined....
If you are really willing to invest in the process you need to visit
the factory and the museum in Stuttgart. That will give you the
best clarity of what color to do.
There is a post on the other PTS guide thread of the PTS
"wailing wall" with 16+ blue tints on it.
I will add a caveat to your wise advice, C.J. Before you spend
big bucks booking your flights to Stuttgart, first read carefully
all the PTS threads found right here at Rennlist. In my opinion,
there is no place either in Germany, the USA or anywhere else
in the world that has more information or insight into Porsche's
PTS than with us here at Rennlist.
Staring at the 'Wailing Wall' will only do so much good...and
not much of the latter if you don't know what's behind those
color samples!
Threadjack: Eduardo, while we've got you on the bat phone...my wife and I are considering moving down to Carmel/Monterey in the next couple of years (pre-retirement) and I'm curious how your cars stand up to the salt air. Currently live up in Los Altos and spend a lot of time down there, so we know the area/neighborhoods/weather pretty good, but I'm concerned about how my Porsches are going to do if we wind up close to the water. Any insights would be appreciated.
On topic, that Arrow blue is orgasmic, but can't go wrong with VooDoo either. And that Acid is wicked as well. So many great blues in the Porsche palette.
The 4.0RS pictured above was the exact car that convinced me to ask for a voodoo 918, which became Arrow.
Although voodoo has become more prevalent recently, I think the 4.0 was the Alpha!
What's still a mystery to me is how it came to be that there was a plastic car model painted in Arrow blue for footsoldier or the person before him to even see! Was this specially requested by a customer (and painted without formal testing and approval)? Or was the colour previously tested and approved but never listed? Was this colour a suggestion by someone within the Porsche organization? Since it hadn't been officially approved for 918 (and still not for any other car that I know of), it is very interesting to me that a sample of this particular colour showed up! But fortunately for all of us, it has shed some light on this fabulous blue! Thanks footsoldier and Eduardo for enlightening us!
Daniel is correct on color samples of 'Arrow Blue' at any
Porsche dealership. Here is the full story of the 918 customer
that ended up choosing 'Arrow Blue' over 'Voodoo Blue' for
his Spyder:
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Thanks! You're the man Eduardo! Now I'm gonna go to C&C and ramble off historical color information to the Porsche circle.
That insight was great. The only issue is that now I'm stuck on arrow blue. I may have to make a trip to Germany to plead my case if it doest get approved
03-06-2016, 08:49 PM
Calling Eduardo - Voodoo Blue vs Arrow Blue - 991.2 GT3 Prep
