991.2 GT3 RS
11-13-2018, 10:20 AM
#3661
i did not want to be rude, i meant by "real" with the titanium cage, and exposed CF front.
Better terms would be "complete" WP if you prefer.
Titanium wheels are not included in WP for the GT3 RS, and not even available as an option here.
Better terms would be "complete" WP if you prefer.
Titanium wheels are not included in WP for the GT3 RS, and not even available as an option here.
11-13-2018, 02:11 PM
#3662
Nordschleife Master
No worries. I don’t have the WP. Just didn’t see the value without the Ti rollbar but to me I would have preferred a WP with mg wheels, Ti rollbar& cf tie rods/control arms and just paint hood black. Keep all the cf fluff. That I would have paid $18k for.
11-13-2018, 02:28 PM
#3663
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Waxer
No worries. I don’t have the WP. Just didn’t see the value without the Ti rollbar but to me I would have preferred a WP with mg wheels, Ti rollbar& cf tie rods/control arms and just paint hood black. Keep all the cf fluff. That I would have paid $18k for.
11-13-2018, 03:35 PM
#3664
Nordschleife Master
True but if I’m paying for a WP that’s supposed to save weight and add performance then the “Waxer” WP I think would be preferred by most for the same $ and some real weight and performance advantage.
11-13-2018, 05:30 PM
#3665
I do have a 808 WP that just locked this month, yes. I received my original allocation in June and right away my first Spec included 808 WP, I changed my build a few times but never deleted 808. Porsche indefinitely suspended 808 in August for any 3RS order that was not already V200 and did not already include 808 WP. This is also why 909 WP was added to the configurator as it is now the only way you can order a 3RS WP.
Our database currently has ~500 808 WP that have already been built. The most recent being “5050” built on 11/5
*all the above information pertains to N.A. production only.
11-14-2018, 01:10 PM
#3666
Waxer, where are you getting the idea that the WP offered on the GT3RS has ever included Mg wheels, CF tie rods, and CF control arms? Also, Porsche has never offered any clubsport rollbar in the US due to safety regulations. The Mg wheels you are proposing in your ideal lightweight package cost $18k alone when bought from the manufacturer, BBS.
11-14-2018, 06:40 PM
#3667
Rennlist Member
I think what he is saying is that is should be more of a performance oriented package. Don't invest in marginal carbon parts (cosmetic or otherwise), but add lightness (Mg wheels) and safety for track (Ti cage). BMW got half cage approved for the US w the GTS so it's possible. (FWIW, true track protection requires a full cage and the Ti bar is not compatible (not even sure its FIA compliant). So it is even somewhat cosmetic.)
Best would be true lightweight package - delete PCM, maybe AC, only full buckets, no lift, Mg wheels, lightweight / plexiglass, etc. Charge $25k (in PAG math winds up being $50k...)
Best would be true lightweight package - delete PCM, maybe AC, only full buckets, no lift, Mg wheels, lightweight / plexiglass, etc. Charge $25k (in PAG math winds up being $50k...)
11-14-2018, 11:37 PM
#3668
Nordschleife Master
Waxer, where are you getting the idea that the WP offered on the GT3RS has ever included Mg wheels, CF tie rods, and CF control arms? Also, Porsche has never offered any clubsport rollbar in the US due to safety regulations. The Mg wheels you are proposing in your ideal lightweight package cost $18k alone when bought from the manufacturer, BBS.
11-15-2018, 12:04 AM
#3669
I think what he is saying is that is should be more of a performance oriented package. Don't invest in marginal carbon parts (cosmetic or otherwise), but add lightness (Mg wheels) and safety for track (Ti cage). BMW got half cage approved for the US w the GTS so it's possible. (FWIW, true track protection requires a full cage and the Ti bar is not compatible (not even sure its FIA compliant). So it is even somewhat cosmetic.)
Best would be true lightweight package - delete PCM, maybe AC, only full buckets, no lift, Mg wheels, lightweight / plexiglass, etc. Charge $25k (in PAG math winds up being $50k...)
Best would be true lightweight package - delete PCM, maybe AC, only full buckets, no lift, Mg wheels, lightweight / plexiglass, etc. Charge $25k (in PAG math winds up being $50k...)
Wasn't the the M4 GTS roll bar allowed due to the limited production or something?
I agree, it would be nice to have a more extreme version/package for track performance but the 3RS WP is that car for Porsche right now.
That said, I'd like to add to your dream list; Ti coil springs or better yet carbon bellow springs, lightweight battery, carbon wheels instead of Mg, 5 lug hubs, Al-Li calipers, CCM-X rotors, electric vacuum pump brake booster, a lightweight folding passenger seat option, side muffler delete (maybe a rev limiter to pass sounds regs), variable traction control, GT3R mirrors, canards, and tripod axles. Thanks, Santa/Porsche!
11-15-2018, 03:48 AM
#3670
Maybe, I guess. The package is the package. Not changing for the better. It was always just a little cherry on top of the already improved car. The cost (in the US) is an additional ~8% for exposed carbon, embroidery, plaques, carbon steering wheel trim, and carbon sway bars. It was apparently worth it to well more than even Porsche expected...
Wasn't the the M4 GTS roll bar allowed due to the limited production or something?
I agree, it would be nice to have a more extreme version/package for track performance but the 3RS WP is that car for Porsche right now.
That said, I'd like to add to your dream list; Ti coil springs or better yet carbon bellow springs, lightweight battery, carbon wheels instead of Mg, 5 lug hubs, Al-Li calipers, CCM-X rotors, electric vacuum pump brake booster, a lightweight folding passenger seat option, side muffler delete (maybe a rev limiter to pass sounds regs), variable traction control, GT3R mirrors, canards, and tripod axles. Thanks, Santa/Porsche!
Wasn't the the M4 GTS roll bar allowed due to the limited production or something?
I agree, it would be nice to have a more extreme version/package for track performance but the 3RS WP is that car for Porsche right now.
That said, I'd like to add to your dream list; Ti coil springs or better yet carbon bellow springs, lightweight battery, carbon wheels instead of Mg, 5 lug hubs, Al-Li calipers, CCM-X rotors, electric vacuum pump brake booster, a lightweight folding passenger seat option, side muffler delete (maybe a rev limiter to pass sounds regs), variable traction control, GT3R mirrors, canards, and tripod axles. Thanks, Santa/Porsche!
Note: the rear roll cage made of titanium is not FIA-GT or DMSB-approved and cannot be extended to a full cage that includes the front.
11-15-2018, 11:22 AM
#3671
Waxer, where are you getting the idea that the WP offered on the GT3RS has ever included Mg wheels, CF tie rods, and CF control arms? Also, Porsche has never offered any clubsport rollbar in the US due to safety regulations. The Mg wheels you are proposing in your ideal lightweight package cost $18k alone when bought from the manufacturer, BBS.
11-15-2018, 11:38 AM
#3672
11-15-2018, 12:05 PM
#3673
Just for clarification, the coupling rods and sway bars on the GT3RS and the GT2RS with the Weissach package are carbon. And, both cars were originally intended to be offered with Mg wheels as an option but unfortunately only some early GT2RS builds actually offered this option.
