New GT3/GT2RS Leads With/Without ADM
12-31-2018, 10:17 AM
#3526
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Meanwhile more stupid posts "I can't believe this one is not sold yet"
12-27-2018, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Justin@Euroclassics
Bump!!!
I do not understand why this car is not sold already. Perfect spec for the track.
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12-27-2018, 08:50 AM#11
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Quote:Originally Posted by Justin@Euroclassics
Bump!!!
I do not understand why this car is not sold already. Perfect spec for the track.
Regards
Pranqster
12-31-2018, 10:44 AM
#3528
2RS won’t be affected since 550hp is still a long way off from 690 plus all the lightweight components and additional aero.
12-31-2018, 10:53 AM
#3529
Boy, these threads are absolutely amazing these cars are still new to the market, and so many concerned what will be the net value of these cars? Clearly many buyers have purchased for all the wrong reasons ......it’s an expensive hobby to enjoy not a instrument of financial value. Enjoy these great machines for what they are fun toys. The reason you have so many GT3’s for sale PDK and manual because it was the last great thing, and now many are holding a financial rope around their necks to sell them because they’re burning equity on a balance sheet. Note to self it’s a car, and they’re building more which is what everyone asked for last round. Happy New Year
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12-31-2018, 11:38 AM
#3530
And I think you are wrong, the Porsche is a better, more reliable car as others have demonstrated and has a smaller total production volume. It is priced the same or better than the competitors even with some premium , and it outperformed anything else available. Incidentally, the last GT2 was built 8 years ago so keep waiting for the 992 version that is “better”. Even Porsche admitted that the target for the 918 successor is a 6:30 lap time which is within 10 seconds of the current 2RS MR. Regardless, it does come down to how many cars are for sale and how many people are interested. Where we differ is that I believe more people will want to own this particular vehicle than you do. To me, it seems irrelevant whether there are 50 or 250 of these cars on the market since this vehicle has proven itself as highly desirable to more people than that. Even if all 1000 were available, there are likely more than 1000 people still willing to pay MSRP or more. Using your philosophy, no Porsche would ever be collectible or gain in value disputing known facts. It is not mathematically valid to say that the upcoming Speedster will be more collectible than the 2RS because there will be a few hundred more 2Rs’s built. You are discussing inventories like a few hundred cars makes a difference in a world of thousands of enthusiasts.
12-31-2018, 11:45 AM
#3531
On the other hand what do the people who believe values are over inflated on the 2RS specifically deem necessary for a vehicle to be special enough to hold or go up in price as opposed to depreciation?
1. Number of cars produced? Where should the cut off be...250 USA cars like the 918....600 like the upcoming Speedster... Are under 1000 units like the 2RS too many and 600 okay? Ferrari will be producing at least 1000 Pistas which will all be sold originally at MSRP but then at least 60+ on the secondary market.
2. Does the car need to be priced better than the competitors to begin with? Pistas around $400, Huracan performante Coupe $350, 720S $350 plus... 2RS seems like a bargain
3. How does the 2RS compare in performance? Documented as the fastest Nurburgring production car (MR) or second behind SVJ unmodified. Also fastest VIR lightning lap time.
Not impressed yet...there is no hope for you!
1. Number of cars produced? Where should the cut off be...250 USA cars like the 918....600 like the upcoming Speedster... Are under 1000 units like the 2RS too many and 600 okay? Ferrari will be producing at least 1000 Pistas which will all be sold originally at MSRP but then at least 60+ on the secondary market.
2. Does the car need to be priced better than the competitors to begin with? Pistas around $400, Huracan performante Coupe $350, 720S $350 plus... 2RS seems like a bargain
3. How does the 2RS compare in performance? Documented as the fastest Nurburgring production car (MR) or second behind SVJ unmodified. Also fastest VIR lightning lap time.
Not impressed yet...there is no hope for you!
12-31-2018, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Manoverpdk
Can anyone speculate what would happen to the value of the current 3& 2 rs if the 992 3/3rs power was bumped to naturally aspirated 550+ ?
12-31-2018, 01:06 PM
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12-31-2018, 01:08 PM
#3535
In my opinion, the 3RS will be worth approximately 80-85% of original MSRP judging from the $170-$173 current value of .1 cars with an MSRP of 200k.
2RS won’t be affected since 550hp is still a long way off from 690 plus all the lightweight components and additional aero.
12-31-2018, 01:09 PM
#3536
Boy, these threads are absolutely amazing these cars are still new to the market, and so many concerned what will be the net value of these cars? Clearly many buyers have purchased for all the wrong reasons ......it’s an expensive hobby to enjoy not a instrument of financial value. Enjoy these great machines for what they are fun toys. The reason you have so many GT3’s for sale PDK and manual because it was the last great thing, and now many are holding a financial rope around their necks to sell them because they’re burning equity on a balance sheet. Note to self it’s a car, and they’re building more which is what everyone ask for last round. Happy New Year
12-31-2018, 01:19 PM
#3537
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
The 992 interior will keep the 991 valuable
2rs would have been obvious keeper with exception of number produced and starting price. It's hard for a several thousand copy 911 to start out near a half mil and not have a substantial pull-back before it can find its footing and appreciate over the long haul. And, just as the R, depends a little on what comes down the line in 911 lineup. It's always hard to understand how a new car will do without the context of future 911's and overall direction of car manufacturers.
991 GT's are AMAZING cars. My approach has been more to just pick what i want to drive for a while and move onto the next to try em all; not worry about what is a keeper; that isn't as obvious to me as it was with the 997 gt send-offs. Those cars had all the boxes checked and the benefit of 991's being such a different platform (awesome but different).
12-31-2018, 01:28 PM
#3538
R would have been the keeper of all 991 keepers if not for the reintroduction of the manual and/or touring. I realize it doesn't take away from the specialness of the R, but sometimes what comes after a given 911 has as much impact on its "keeper status" as its individual merits. Also would have helped it if it was a 991 send-off (.2 model). Speedster is a cool product and I want one. But 2k copies of a convertible, on top of the thousands of other 991's: tough to make any of them Uber collectible in the near-mid-term.
2rs would have been obvious keeper with exception of number produced and starting price. It's hard for a several thousand copy 911 to start out near a half mil and not have a substantial pull-back before it can find its footing and appreciate over the long haul. And, just as the R, depends a little on what comes down the line in 911 lineup. It's always hard to understand how a new car will do without the context of future 911's and overall direction of car manufacturers.
991 GT's are AMAZING cars. My approach has been more to just pick what i want to drive for a while and move onto the next to try em all; not worry about what is a keeper; that isn't as obvious to me as it was with the 997 gt send-offs. Those cars had all the boxes checked and the benefit of 991's being such a different platform (awesome but different).
2rs would have been obvious keeper with exception of number produced and starting price. It's hard for a several thousand copy 911 to start out near a half mil and not have a substantial pull-back before it can find its footing and appreciate over the long haul. And, just as the R, depends a little on what comes down the line in 911 lineup. It's always hard to understand how a new car will do without the context of future 911's and overall direction of car manufacturers.
991 GT's are AMAZING cars. My approach has been more to just pick what i want to drive for a while and move onto the next to try em all; not worry about what is a keeper; that isn't as obvious to me as it was with the 997 gt send-offs. Those cars had all the boxes checked and the benefit of 991's being such a different platform (awesome but different).
12-31-2018, 02:21 PM
#3539
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R would have been the keeper of all 991 keepers if not for the reintroduction of the manual and/or touring. I realize it doesn't take away from the specialness of the R, but sometimes what comes after a given 911 has as much impact on its "keeper status" as its individual merits. Also would have helped it if it was a 991 send-off (.2 model). Speedster is a cool product and I want one. But 2k copies of a convertible, on top of the thousands of other 991's: tough to make any of them Uber collectible in the near-mid-term.
2rs would have been obvious keeper with exception of number produced and starting price. It's hard for a several thousand copy 911 to start out near a half mil and not have a substantial pull-back before it can find its footing and appreciate over the long haul. And, just as the R, depends a little on what comes down the line in 911 lineup. It's always hard to understand how a new car will do without the context of future 911's and overall direction of car manufacturers.
991 GT's are AMAZING cars. My approach has been more to just pick what i want to drive for a while and move onto the next to try em all; not worry about what is a keeper; that isn't as obvious to me as it was with the 997 gt send-offs. Those cars had all the boxes checked and the benefit of 991's being such a different platform (awesome but different).
2rs would have been obvious keeper with exception of number produced and starting price. It's hard for a several thousand copy 911 to start out near a half mil and not have a substantial pull-back before it can find its footing and appreciate over the long haul. And, just as the R, depends a little on what comes down the line in 911 lineup. It's always hard to understand how a new car will do without the context of future 911's and overall direction of car manufacturers.
991 GT's are AMAZING cars. My approach has been more to just pick what i want to drive for a while and move onto the next to try em all; not worry about what is a keeper; that isn't as obvious to me as it was with the 997 gt send-offs. Those cars had all the boxes checked and the benefit of 991's being such a different platform (awesome but different).
Interesting point by C.J. on the 992 interior especially how it will translate over to the GT cars. My new Touring will be a keeper at least for now.
12-31-2018, 02:31 PM
#3540
I like the interior less and less on each generation. I miss the size and simplicity of the past generations. I liked being able to high five somebody outside the passenger door from the driver's seat. I liked the lack of center console and I liked the simple dash with the separated gauges. I sat in the 992 at the launch and I liked the 992 interior and the digital display's recreation of the old separated analog gauges. I also liked the fit and finish. I didn't like the shelf on the dash or the now very large center console. It is a turning point that may provide the uniqueness to the 991 and extra value. I guess I have gotten over the changes everytime and will get over these too, as I think the 992 was very well done from a design perspective.