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I would agree, except for Haku's post. It appears as a result of dropping his request for PTS, his status changed to V200 and a changed production date.
I guess the only way that makes sense is if he got a new Commission #, and his previous PTS Commission # is still open?
^ Thanks for the confirmation. This means that if you do drop PTS, then your production changes. Meaning, there is technically a PTS "capacity" at the predetermined PTS production time.
if you drop PTS, production will not change, dealer probably proposed PTS to other customer and swap allocation. commission number has nothing to do with this.
if you drop PTS, production will not change, dealer probably proposed PTS to other customer and swap allocation. commission number has nothing to do with this.
Yes, I tend to agree with this, or that the commission number was moved to an open allocation in Sept. because a PTS order was moved out.
Current Status of PTS Request on the .2 991 gt3 for US Market
I hope I am wrong. But there is something about
the current PTS request process at PCNA that frankly
I don't have a good feeling about! And I hope Porsche
is not (perhaps unwittingly) setting people up for a
big dissappointment when they finally announce who
really is getting PTS on the .2 991 gt3 for MY2018!
As I undertand it, PCNA recently asked of every
dealer with customer that already had a Fall 2017
.2 991 gt3 allocation & wanted PTS to fill out a
request & submit it to them. They then forwarded
these requests to PAG Germany & we now await a
final decision from the Fatherland. They weird thing
is that someone (possibly at PCNA) assumed that
all of these PTS requests would be fulfilled by PAG
& pushed their customer's formerly Fall 2017 built
slots into Spring of 2018! Even when a few have
opted out of PTS because of the price, their slots
remain now in the Spring of 2018! To me this all
means that PAG & PCNA have already filled those
old Fall build slots with new allocations in standard
colors.
But here is the rub. What if PCNA somewhat has
misunderstood what this current tentative V180
status means for a client that has requested PTS?
What if PAG doesn't approve but a fraction of those
PTS requests? PCNA, or someone in the organization,
has already given away these folk's Fall 2017 build
slots! So if PAG ends up approving only 10% of all
of those US customers that requested PTS, the unlucky
90% will end up the creek without a paddle! That
means no PTS & a much delayed production schedule
into the Spring of 2018! That is a 'double whammy' -
which would surely infuriate some of the most loyal/
long term customers of Porsche in this market!
The reason I am worry this might ocurr is that so
far I have not heard of a single Rennlist person that
requested PTS on their .2 991 gt3 via their dealers
being told he/she was unlucky & did not get it!
Even at the higher price of US$12830, I just do not
believe PAG will offer PTS to all .2 991 gt3 customers
that requested it. And the fact that PAG is presently
in the middle of their summer 'vacations' in Zuffenhausen
means that this unresolved limbo status on PTS might
continue for another month!
I am wishing for the best. But in my many years of
following the strange world of PTS at Porsche at close
hand, I can not envision a scenario where 100% of
those officially requesting for PTS on a GT model will
be approved! It defies PTS history at PAG. In the
911R, where every single customer for this limited
edition model was hand-picked by PAG & was some
sort of 918 VIP, celebrity, Titan of Industry or a Piëch/
Porsche family member, PAG rejected many who
asked for PTS! So I am having a hard time believing
Tom, Dick & Harry that requested PTS for the .2 991
gt3 in the US (or elsewhere in the world for that matter)
will be approved & waltz down happily the yellow-brick
road into the Land of Oz!
So trust but verify! And keep the pressure up on
PCNA to clarify your PTS status ASAP so that you
don't end up very dissappointed...and in much
worse shape (built date wise) than before this
PTS saga started weeks ago!
If those with Fall 2018 allocations all request/recieve PTS it still only represents a small % of overall allocations. The real trick is to have that Fall 18 build, PTS window opens/closes few months later. I'm at V180 and only time will tell.
If those with Fall 2018 allocations all
request/recieve PTS it still only represents a
small % of overall allocations. The real trick
is to have that Fall 18 build, PTS window
opens/closes few months later. I'm at
V180 and only time will tell.
Perhaps Porsche has already realized the disconnect between PAG and PCNA? Could this be why Porsche is charging a higher price for PTS, thereby encouraging some to drop it? That doesn't *fix* the delay from Fall build to Spring build, but the penalty is not both the delay AND unavailable PTS -- at least by those who voluntarily canceled their PTS option.
One possible benefit to some: If PTS-requested production has irretrievably shifted from Fall to Spring, then perhaps those who either 1. are denied PTS or 2. canceled PTS upon learning the new, higher price, they will at least have the option of choosing the Touring option, expected to be announced in September?
I'm spit-balling, but being able to choose the touring option would mitigate some of the disappointment.
Supposedly once PAG accepts the PTS it will to V210 and the dealer will be able to edit options until the new lock date.
I'm waiting patiently and resisting the urge to fix some small options with my build for fear it will cause an issue and kick the build out of some queue...
Yeah, I'm gonna do the same but again, there is Eduardo's post
Originally Posted by Z356
I hope I am wrong. But there is something about
the current PTS request process at PCNA that frankly
I don't have a good feeling about!......
I hope I am wrong. But there is something about
the current PTS request process at PCNA that frankly
I don't have a good feeling about! And I hope Porsche
is not (perhaps unwittingly) setting people up for a
big dissappointment when they finally announce who
really is getting PTS on the .2 991 gt3 for MY2018!
As I undertand it, PCNA recently asked of every
dealer with customer that already had a Fall 2017
.2 991 gt3 allocation & wanted PTS to fill out a
request & submit it to them. They then forwarded
these requests to PAG Germany & we now await a
final decision from the Fatherland. They weird thing
is that someone (possibly at PCNA) assumed that
all of these PTS requests would be fulfilled by PAG
& pushed their customer's formerly Fall 2017 built
slots into Spring of 2018! Even when a few have
opted out of PTS because of the price, their slots
remain now in the Spring of 2018! To me this all
means that PAG & PCNA have already filled those
old Fall build slots with new allocations in standard
colors.
But here is the rub. What if PCNA somewhat has
misunderstood what this current tentative V180
status means for a client that has requested PTS?
What if PAG doesn't approve but a fraction of those
PTS requests? PCNA, or someone in the organization,
has already given away these folk's Fall 2017 build
slots! So if PAG ends up approving only 10% of all
of those US customers that requested PTS, the unlucky
90% will end up the creek without a paddle! That
means no PTS & a much delayed production schedule
into the Spring of 2018! That is a 'double whammy' -
which would surely infuriate some of the most loyal/
long term customers of Porsche in this market!
The reason I am worry this might ocurr is that so
far I have not heard of a single Rennlist person that
requested PTS on their .2 991 gt3 via their dealers
being told he/she was unlucky & did not get it!
Even at the higher price of US$12830, I just do not
believe PAG will offer PTS to all .2 991 gt3 customers
that requested it. And the fact that PAG is presently
in the middle of their summer 'vacations' in Zuffenhausen
means that this unresolved limbo status on PTS might
continue for another month!
I am wishing for the best. But in my many years of
following the strange world of PTS at Porsche at close
hand, I can not envision a scenario where 100% of
those officially requesting for PTS on a GT model will
be approved! It defies PTS history at PAG. In the
911R, where every single customer for this limited
edition model was hand-picked by PAG & was some
sort of 918 VIP, celebrity, Titan of Industry or a Piëch/
Porsche family member, PAG rejected many who
asked for PTS! So I am having a hard time believing
Tom, Dick & Harry that requested PTS for the .2 991
gt3 in the US (or elsewhere in the world for that matter)
will be approved & waltz down happily the yellow-brick
road into the Land of Oz!
So trust but verify! And keep the pressure up on
PCNA to clarify your PTS status ASAP so that you
don't end up very dissappointed...and in much
worse shape (built date wise) than before this
PTS saga started weeks ago!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale 8/07/2017
What would help us understand this better is if everyone on the database would check for their current build date. There are some that haven't checked and others that only checked weeks ago. If we know all of you are in a production month moved from your original date and are in V180 status, then I agree with Eduardo. If however, some of us are moved and others are not, then that would indicate some matching of PTS capacity with requests. So yes, as Eduardo states, please check your new production dates and let us know here what they are!
The list continues to grow. Please, please try to find out your production month.
Thanks to everyone that has sent me PM's or replied here with updates.
30 Cars in the PTS database now. I have always assumed about 10% of GT3 owners have a presence here on Rennlist. I think that percentage goes up significantly with PTS to maybe as high as a third. Following that logic there are ~100 PTS cars requested currently. That doesn't seem outrageous for a production run of around 1500- 2000 cars here in North America. And given that the window will not likely be open to orders coming in the fall or later, then the total number is in line with past practice, particularly the last GT3 RS.
What would help us understand this better is if everyone on the database would check for their current build date. There are some that haven't checked and others that only checked weeks ago. If we know all of you are in a production month moved from your original date and are in V180 status, then I agree with Eduardo. If however, some of us are moved and others are not, then that would indicate some matching of PTS capacity with requests. So yes, as Eduardo states, please check your new production dates and let us know here what they are!
More insight- from some correspondence regarding my Euro delivery:
Since the order is still V180, I can't see the expected production timeline which limits my estimations on delivery at the moment.
and...
Once the car goes into V200 we should be able to see the estimated production schedule and could get a more accurate idea on delivery.
This explains why many of you don't know your production date or don't think it has moved. It is not available through the normal view, but is is somewhere in the system and with the proper access you can find it. This requires your dealer to dig deeper or for you to call Porsche with your commission number and get this information from someone who has access to it. Start with your dealer (that is the proper channel) and be persistent. It has moved, I guarantee you.
As you correctly stated, with a V180 status, there is no scheduled production date.
That's why we can't find it. The dealer can't find it. I doubt PCNA could find it. Germany won't know either. Probably not even the cleaning lady.
As you correctly stated, with a V180 status, there is no scheduled production date.
That's why we can't find it. The dealer can't find it. I doubt PCNA could find it. Germany won't know either. Probably not even the cleaning lady.
We just have to wait.
Incorrect- you are assigned a production allocation- it is just not visible to everyone. Myself and others have been able to get to the right person at PCNA and get that information. Your dealer can get it as well, he has access to these people through his regional rep.
Hi Montoya. I just got an update on my GT3 991.2 in Voodoo Blue w/ PDK. I am now v180 showing build Mar 18' and arrival to dealer 27Apr2018. So still not guaranteed PTS or any of the CXX options but at least it is progress for my build. I was v110 forever. The build sheet is showing the $12,830 for PTS as well as CXX - Custom Tailoring Option listed. Price for CXX still at $0 and will remain until Porsche accepts/confirms/denies everything and prices it per a footnote on build sheet. As a reminder, my original build date was 15-22Sep2017
Interesting however is that that tracker info gives no detailed information (entry to body shop, exit production, vehicle completion, entry port, etc). If I had to guess, I'd say that v180 simply means PCNA has verified all of the info for the build is correct in the system and it then goes to AG for review and approval. AG as we all know is the final authority so Eduardo may be 100% correct that only a small % will get PTS this time around. Fingers crossed it is all of us RListers.
08-07-2017, 03:02 PM
