What did you do with your 987 today?
03-08-2023, 04:14 PM
#1127
Rennlist Member
I'm sure that I'm missing something obvious here, but where I come from a chart is simply the visual representation of the data produced by the dyno run. What's not to trust?
03-09-2023, 03:25 AM
#1128
the only way to come close to an accurate number is to compare two or three tests from different vendors and take an average. and guess what? they KNOW that 99.99% of clients will be satisfied being given, once, what they wanted to hear in the first place.
Last edited by hueyhoolihan; 03-09-2023 at 03:31 AM.
03-09-2023, 08:02 AM
#1129
Rennlist Member
check with bernie madoff's clients that lost billions of dollars worth of investments. they were sent offical-looking "investment summaries" for decades showing false information as to how much money they were making...all of it false and all designed to give them what they wanted to hear. making up info that shows up on those charts is child's play.
the only way to come close to an accurate number is to compare two or three tests from different vendors and take an average. and guess what? they KNOW that 99.99% of clients will be satisfied being given, once, what they wanted to hear in the first place.
the only way to come close to an accurate number is to compare two or three tests from different vendors and take an average. and guess what? they KNOW that 99.99% of clients will be satisfied being given, once, what they wanted to hear in the first place.
03-09-2023, 08:44 AM
#1131
Racer
No conspiracy theories going on with the dyno graph. It's legit. Don't focus on the peak numbers though for a few reasons. Rather, look at the gains between baseline and post-headers. There are significant increases from mid-top end regarding both power and torque. Maybe even more importantly, there aren't any dips anywhere in the entire rev range after the headers were installed. Unless there's a CEL, I don't really see a reason to tune unless A/F ration should be adjusted.
03-09-2023, 11:39 PM
#1132
Rennlist Member
Maybe you're not familiar with dynos?? Not sure what you are skeptical of.
Last edited by Zach L; 03-09-2023 at 11:55 PM.
03-09-2023, 11:51 PM
#1133
Rennlist Member
No negatives. The sound is intoxicating.
Such skepticism of dyno graphs can only come from someone that lacks familiarity with them and how they work, and likely has never dyno'd a car. You literally see the graph made while the car is still on the dyno.
lol for real!
There is a CEL because there's no cats on the car. It's been that way since they were installed 12 months ago. The only reason to get a tune is if someone doesn't want the light in their cluster. Doesn't really bother me. I'm tempted to get a tune just to do another dyno run to show how little difference it makes vs headers alone.
lol for real!
No conspiracy theories going on with the dyno graph. It's legit. Don't focus on the peak numbers though for a few reasons. Rather, look at the gains between baseline and post-headers. There are significant increases from mid-top end regarding both power and torque. Maybe even more importantly, there aren't any dips anywhere in the entire rev range after the headers were installed. Unless there's a CEL, I don't really see a reason to tune unless A/F ration should be adjusted.
03-10-2023, 01:28 AM
#1134
bernie could make up a fake investment invoice while you waited. but the point is that people are fed what they want to hear from service companies that are dependent on satisfying their clients. it's simple human nature. ask the salesman at your next fitting if you look good in the $1500 suit you're trying on. or a any car salesman if the car you said you're interested in buying is any good. ask a maitre de of the food is any good. ask a ford executive if they make good cars. ask the president if GM is the leading EV company. get real...
such confidence in software and the dyno graphs they create (to take a cue from a contributor) can only come from someone that's not familiar with it, and how it works, and likely has never worked in the field where one can literally make the graph, made while the car is still on the dyno, look like anything that's necessary to satisfy the client..
simply saying that that dyno's are fallible and subjective and realistically, one needs multiple tests to get anything close to a realistic assessment of whatever's being tested. ..i think you all know that.
such confidence in software and the dyno graphs they create (to take a cue from a contributor) can only come from someone that's not familiar with it, and how it works, and likely has never worked in the field where one can literally make the graph, made while the car is still on the dyno, look like anything that's necessary to satisfy the client..
simply saying that that dyno's are fallible and subjective and realistically, one needs multiple tests to get anything close to a realistic assessment of whatever's being tested. ..i think you all know that.
03-10-2023, 11:52 AM
#1135
Rennlist Member
bernie could make up a fake investment invoice while you waited. but the point is that people are fed what they want to hear from service companies that are dependent on satisfying their clients. it's simple human nature. ask the salesman at your next fitting if you look good in the $1500 suit you're trying on. or a any car salesman if the car you said you're interested in buying is any good. ask a maitre de of the food is any good. ask a ford executive if they make good cars. ask the president if GM is the leading EV company. get real...
such confidence in software and the dyno graphs they create (to take a cue from a contributor) can only come from someone that's not familiar with it, and how it works, and likely has never worked in the field where one can literally make the graph, made while the car is still on the dyno, look like anything that's necessary to satisfy the client..
simply saying that that dyno's are fallible and subjective and realistically, one needs multiple tests to get anything close to a realistic assessment of whatever's being tested. ..i think you all know that.
such confidence in software and the dyno graphs they create (to take a cue from a contributor) can only come from someone that's not familiar with it, and how it works, and likely has never worked in the field where one can literally make the graph, made while the car is still on the dyno, look like anything that's necessary to satisfy the client..
simply saying that that dyno's are fallible and subjective and realistically, one needs multiple tests to get anything close to a realistic assessment of whatever's being tested. ..i think you all know that.
03-10-2023, 03:23 PM
#1136
How do we know the car being dyno'd is actual a car? You need at least three opinions from experts before you can, in fact, claim what you have is actual a car. Wake up sheeple.
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03-10-2023, 04:20 PM
#1137
03-10-2023, 07:06 PM
#1139
Rennlist Member
bernie could make up a fake investment invoice while you waited. but the point is that people are fed what they want to hear from service companies that are dependent on satisfying their clients. it's simple human nature. ask the salesman at your next fitting if you look good in the $1500 suit you're trying on. or a any car salesman if the car you said you're interested in buying is any good. ask a maitre de of the food is any good. ask a ford executive if they make good cars. ask the president if GM is the leading EV company. get real...
such confidence in software and the dyno graphs they create (to take a cue from a contributor) can only come from someone that's not familiar with it, and how it works, and likely has never worked in the field where one can literally make the graph, made while the car is still on the dyno, look like anything that's necessary to satisfy the client..
simply saying that that dyno's are fallible and subjective and realistically, one needs multiple tests to get anything close to a realistic assessment of whatever's being tested. ..i think you all know that.
such confidence in software and the dyno graphs they create (to take a cue from a contributor) can only come from someone that's not familiar with it, and how it works, and likely has never worked in the field where one can literally make the graph, made while the car is still on the dyno, look like anything that's necessary to satisfy the client..
simply saying that that dyno's are fallible and subjective and realistically, one needs multiple tests to get anything close to a realistic assessment of whatever's being tested. ..i think you all know that.
