Anybody install sport buckets?
#1
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Anybody install sport buckets?
I think I read somewhere that the sport buckets don't fit in the 981. Porsche shows them on the 981 Tequipment page, so has anybody installed them?
My favorite seat in the GT3 and a lot lighter.
My favorite seat in the GT3 and a lot lighter.
#3
Nordschleife Master
They fit, however rumor has it that someone tried to fit them in a 991 and they were unable to turn off the airbag light because of incompatibility with the system.
#4
Race Car
There is a sport bucket seat available for the 991 and 981 in Europe and the rest of the planet.
I don't think anyone knows if they are the same as the version for the 997 and 987. The standard seats are different, the steering wheels are different, who knows what else is different? They may fit, but the air bag may or may not work correctly. Not great if the air bag doesn't deploy in an accident. Worse if it deploys without! We may find out more with time. There are unconfirmed rumors that a sport bucket seat may be tested for the US market at some point (GT3?, GT3RS?, Turbo?).
I don't think anyone knows if they are the same as the version for the 997 and 987. The standard seats are different, the steering wheels are different, who knows what else is different? They may fit, but the air bag may or may not work correctly. Not great if the air bag doesn't deploy in an accident. Worse if it deploys without! We may find out more with time. There are unconfirmed rumors that a sport bucket seat may be tested for the US market at some point (GT3?, GT3RS?, Turbo?).
#5
Compatibility of 'gt2' type sport buckets on 981, 991 & 991 gt3!
I just posted about this subject in the 991 gt3 forum:
"I also took the opportunity to ask Ric Knab at Suncoast about the compatibility of the 'gt2' type seats for the US specs 991 and 981's"
Question #2 - RE: Fact that PCNA has not homologated any type of 'sport bucket seat' for the MY2014 991 gt3 or any US spec 991 or 981 for that matter!
A) Will the existing 997 era gt2 sport bucket seat you sell (airbags/folding type) plug into a 991 or 981 Porsche and work 100%? Airbags & passenger seat sensors work?
http://www.suncoastparts.com/product...=2010GT3_seats
B) If answer to #1 is 'no', will the current gt2 seat available currently in Europe/ROW be able to be imported by YOU, sold to us in the USA, & plug into US spec MY2013/MY2014 991, 981 or 991 gt3 and WORK (airbags, passenger seat sensors, and no fault codes to light up the instruments panel)????? If the answer to #2 is also 'no', can you give us an explanation as to why not? Is it the electrical wires on the 991 that are different? Is it BUS interface? What is the reason?
Answer from Knab: "We tested the 997 GT2 bucket seat into a 991, the wiring was incredibly different. Once we saw that, we decided not to investigate any further. I don't have specifics on this, but we made a wise decision to walk away, and not attempt to modify any wiring. We didn't check the mounting points to see if they were compatible. So again, my professional opinion is that it's not possible to install the 997 seats in a 991/981. I'm sure people will try, maybe it could be done with wiring modifications or PIWIS. I can't help with that sort of retrofit. I haven't heard anything official on the new sport bucket seats, but if Porsche won't ship a car to the USA with the seats installed, they probably won't allow us to order them. At the moment there are no retrofit seats, so I can't get a plug-and-play seat at the moment anyway. Building the seat, piece-by-piece wouldn't be possible for us, that's not something I can help with. If someone is interested in these seats, all we can do is wait and see if Porsche releases them in the future. Keep in mind, the 997 model was launched in 2004/2005, the GT2 seat didn't appear until 2008. So that was three years into production before the retrofit was available, and three years until it was an option for US models."
We have already touched on this result (Sunset trying to fit a 997 gt2 seat on a 991) on a different thread started by mdrums - 'Major Fail -No Sport Bucket Seat Option'. So where does that leaves us, PCNA's US 991/981 customers? Will Gert at Carnewal be allowed by Porsche to ship the current Euro 991/981 'gt2 type' seat to US and will that current Euro 991/981 'gt2 type' seat plug into a US 991, 981 or 991 gt3 & work correctly? Or did Porsche designed the electronics of the US spec 991/981 in such a way that the current Euro 991/981 'gt2 type' seat will NOT work and will NEVER work with it? Indeed, no other 'bucket' seat will fully work until they decide to issue a US approved 991/981 'gt2 type' seat for this market? This is what I am afraid of and I think that is a topic for further discussion on this forum!"
Saludos,
Eduardo
"I also took the opportunity to ask Ric Knab at Suncoast about the compatibility of the 'gt2' type seats for the US specs 991 and 981's"
Question #2 - RE: Fact that PCNA has not homologated any type of 'sport bucket seat' for the MY2014 991 gt3 or any US spec 991 or 981 for that matter!
A) Will the existing 997 era gt2 sport bucket seat you sell (airbags/folding type) plug into a 991 or 981 Porsche and work 100%? Airbags & passenger seat sensors work?
http://www.suncoastparts.com/product...=2010GT3_seats
B) If answer to #1 is 'no', will the current gt2 seat available currently in Europe/ROW be able to be imported by YOU, sold to us in the USA, & plug into US spec MY2013/MY2014 991, 981 or 991 gt3 and WORK (airbags, passenger seat sensors, and no fault codes to light up the instruments panel)????? If the answer to #2 is also 'no', can you give us an explanation as to why not? Is it the electrical wires on the 991 that are different? Is it BUS interface? What is the reason?
Answer from Knab: "We tested the 997 GT2 bucket seat into a 991, the wiring was incredibly different. Once we saw that, we decided not to investigate any further. I don't have specifics on this, but we made a wise decision to walk away, and not attempt to modify any wiring. We didn't check the mounting points to see if they were compatible. So again, my professional opinion is that it's not possible to install the 997 seats in a 991/981. I'm sure people will try, maybe it could be done with wiring modifications or PIWIS. I can't help with that sort of retrofit. I haven't heard anything official on the new sport bucket seats, but if Porsche won't ship a car to the USA with the seats installed, they probably won't allow us to order them. At the moment there are no retrofit seats, so I can't get a plug-and-play seat at the moment anyway. Building the seat, piece-by-piece wouldn't be possible for us, that's not something I can help with. If someone is interested in these seats, all we can do is wait and see if Porsche releases them in the future. Keep in mind, the 997 model was launched in 2004/2005, the GT2 seat didn't appear until 2008. So that was three years into production before the retrofit was available, and three years until it was an option for US models."
We have already touched on this result (Sunset trying to fit a 997 gt2 seat on a 991) on a different thread started by mdrums - 'Major Fail -No Sport Bucket Seat Option'. So where does that leaves us, PCNA's US 991/981 customers? Will Gert at Carnewal be allowed by Porsche to ship the current Euro 991/981 'gt2 type' seat to US and will that current Euro 991/981 'gt2 type' seat plug into a US 991, 981 or 991 gt3 & work correctly? Or did Porsche designed the electronics of the US spec 991/981 in such a way that the current Euro 991/981 'gt2 type' seat will NOT work and will NEVER work with it? Indeed, no other 'bucket' seat will fully work until they decide to issue a US approved 991/981 'gt2 type' seat for this market? This is what I am afraid of and I think that is a topic for further discussion on this forum!"
Saludos,
Eduardo
Last edited by Z356; 04-05-2013 at 03:35 AM.
#6
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Well PAG will offer them on the US spec GT3, so, eventually, they'll be available. I do second Eduardo's comments on the 997 GT2 seats not working with the current generation Porsche.
Let the GT3 go, Rick! Celebrate the 981 for now. You and I both know we'll be back there one day
Let the GT3 go, Rick! Celebrate the 981 for now. You and I both know we'll be back there one day
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#10
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Well PAG will offer them on the US spec GT3, so, eventually, they'll be available. I do second Eduardo's comments on the 997 GT2 seats not working with the current generation Porsche.
Let the GT3 go, Rick! Celebrate the 981 for now. You and I both know we'll be back there one day
Let the GT3 go, Rick! Celebrate the 981 for now. You and I both know we'll be back there one day