Marine Blue

JAB12

Lorenzoh

I remember when I first started looking for a 964 just over a year ago. I had very specific requirements but soon realized that finding what I wanted would be nearly impossible. So, I unchecked one of the boxes and started looking at cars all over the US rather than in my backyard. I negotiated with a fellow PCA member on the east coast, spent countless hours pouring over pics and asking very detailed questions about almost every aspect of the car and was assured by the seller that none of the issues I asked about existed. So, I flew across the country ready for a nice road trip back to California. I took one look at the car, shook my head, turned around and went back to the airport to catch the next flight home. The seller had completely mislead me and not only that, the shop who had the car at the time and who I had asked many of the same questions, also lied thru their teeth.
Sure, I should have asked for the car to be sent to another shop for inspection, but the shop who had it and worked on it (a sponsor here) were highly recomended and vouched for by numerous other sources. And, the only other shop around was a Porsche dealer. In hindsight....the dealer would have probably been as harsh if not moreso as some of us are on here when commenting on cars for sale. Point is, those who find mine an other peoples comments harsh and say we are sabotaging a sale, are the same people who use the excuse that a car isn't in good shape simply because "it's 30 years old". BS. I have plenty of things that are more than 30 years old and when they're well taken care of, day in and day out, there's no reason for them to ever appear old or show their full age. Sure they are going to nicks and blemishes from daily use, but that's what they're made for. There's a big difference in a car that's been driven hard and meticulously taken care of and a car that's just been abused but countless owners over the years.

I'm glad I finally found the former, and I plan on taking great care of it, driving the **** out of it daily and then giving it to my son to let him do the same for another 30 years.

Hoyt

It was purchased by Abreu directly from RMC.

Before I did any sort of research I talked to Abreu about buying it. Needless to say after a few minutes of reading I decided to keep on looking.

jeff33702

^ Was it in Florida?

jeff33702

That's great insight. Sometimes a hobby is a hobby and a car is a car. They can't all be perfect and it "is" easy for some to pick apart a 30 year-old car. It does take some of the excitement out of a new hobby-car experience...to have people nit-picking it apart. Those new owners maybe never get as excited as they might have or just go off and do their own thing, instead of being a part of the culture.

tjb616

I bought a "Swiss cheesed" car from RMC with full expectations of it being rough. I planned to restore it anyway. I got stuck with a 6k transmission rebuild bill that wasn't part of the deal. I paid for the car 10 months ago and haven't driven it. Always happy to discuss my experience if anyone is considering purchasing from them.

jeff33702

Greed commonly is the most motivating factor. These dealers "need" to make a profit and if they make a poor purchase, do you really expect "them" to take the beating?

Holt is one of the few that I routinely hear good things about and just looking at their inventory, it seems to synch up.

Marine Blue

cobalt

No doubt I have been a bit harsh lately about some of these cars. Although I have seen some that sold recently first hand and my critique was kind with the cars being far worse than I had thought. I try my best to keep my comments tame however this is not my first rodeo and I am watching the 80's grey market all over again. People are getting lost in the hype and this is never good for the market which will suffer due to builds and deceptive practices we are currently seeing.

As an example the black 90 wide body on BaT is not all that bad considering the time and energy put into it. But is it worth more than a stock NB 964? What makes it better? If so ask yourself why? The painter clearly has some talent and is capable of doing decent work but everyone is drooling over a black car with brightly colored stripes with a great backdrop and quality photos. It might as well be a CGI. What about the car itself? Is it anything more than a 90 C2 in value. It has a lot of wear and tear after a short time. What is a two week rush job widebody worth over a stock clean 964 C2? I personally would rather have a NB with upgraded brakes suspension and engine work than a show car with slapped on flairs red painted gen 1 two pot rear calipers and an engine that was rebuilt when? and what was actually done?

I'm not saying it should be perfect and someone may think it is worth more, although every car i look at I judge against a perfect car and detract from there. It might have been a fun project but how much risk and money is a cosmetic change like this worth?

I had heard the Blue car sold to Abreu

Trader220

I met Tim Holt maybe 25 years ago, long before I got into the car business. He's about the most honest guy I know in the business. I have bought cars from him, I have sold cars to him, I have sent people to buy cars from him, I let my own family members buy cars sight unseen from him from clear across the country. Never once have I been disappointed with a transaction, never once have I gone to look at one of his cars and it not be exactly as described, never once has anyone I know bought a car from him and had any significant issue or an issue which was not cleared up quickly and satisfactorily without question. If you're looking at one of his cars I am also happy to put some eyes on it if you like, but I would have zero fear of buying from him.

tjb616

Tim Holt is without a doubt one of the good guys. I believe he has chimed into this tread in the past, definitely into our sub forum. He is the only dealer I would buy from without hesitation, sight unseen.

Lorenzoh

Trader220

That's the question.... There are some dealers I flat out wouldn't buy from without seeing the car in person and having a full PPI done by a true independent specialist, not a specialist they recommend. Luxsport, RMC, Victory are three that come to mind, and yes I have been very vocal about them. I never said flat out you cannot buy a car from them, you had just better go in with eyes wide open. I think that's a fair statement based on the garbage they have pulled which is well documented here.

What happens to those pigs with lipstick on them? Probably not a whole lot, eventually they find their way into a consumers hands and sure those people over pay. My guess is the offending dealer never hears much from them and the buyer never really knows how smacked around their car has really been. They probably buy it, drive it sparingly and dump money into it.

Dtronics

91 C2 on CL in LA:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lg...817368742.html


Edit: Nevermind, I think this is Tarek's car. False alarm!