Andy Roe

Do you think that the 964s prices will ever get higher than the 993s then? I can't see it happening. I think that the 964s were undervalued because of their apparent and unjustified bad reputation, but those values seem to be correcting themselves over time. It makes me happy as I've certainly made quite a bit of money on mine since I bought it in 2003 - and especially when I moved from London to Paris.

I can't see the 964s ever being more than a 993 as they both have a solid following of enthusiasts, but it's certainly possible to get a 996 for less than either of them.

I wonder if the 997 will follow suit? Has anyone gone from a 993 to a 964?

cuse92

I went from a 993 to a 996 to a 997 and now back to a 964 (although the exterior is "retro"). Personal choice, but I prefer the looks (of both my car and of standard 964s) and the sound and the driving experience to any of the newer cars (other than possibly the sound of the 993). The 993 was easily my favourite of the other three, although I wasn't too keen on the look of the front end due to the slanted headlights and on a UK B-road at something approximating legal speeds I find the 964 more fun.

IMHO the 997s other than the GT's will go the way of the 996, and end up generally cheaper than 964s and 993s simply because like the 996s they are much more numerous. By the time they are all 20 years old like 964s are now, there will still be many times as many as there ever were of 964s. GTs because of comparative rarity and/or the mezger engines will retain value better, as they have in the 996s.

Agreed that it is doubtful that 964 prices will ever exceed 993s, as you've noted they both have strong followings and both get good press (now!), but with a bit of further compression we could see the prices being more or less equivalent for similar versions of both models...

Quadcammer

amazing how you can find the 964 beautiful and the 993 ugly given that they are remarkably similar in their design. Sluggish and indecisive huh? Gosh I hate when cars are indecisive.

You have trailing arms, we have multilink rears. And yes, I would agree that trailing arms detract from the handling.

Why you so angry?

Porsche964FP

I don't know, really its all so speculative.

I would say however that the 964 seems to be a preferable car over the 993 when it comes to the track, no?

For this reason could the simple 964 Coupe in C4/ C2 out price the equivalent 993 Coupe C4/ C2? I would suggest there's a case saying yes. Time will tell

Also as stated before, I agree production numbers obviously have a big say regarding values... 964s have much smaller production numbers than the 993, 996, 997 naturally.

It seems that 996 prices will continue to plummet based on the same reasons they have done so far pro. numbers, their notorious mechanical issues and build quality... Of course the rarer GTs are a different story.

997s a benchmark for water cooled 911s, IMO 996s were an in between model that were important to the progression of 911 and the eventuality that is the

The extreme rise in track day sales I believe will have a strong case for the 964s values.

The specialists I keep visiting all seem 964 biased.

At the end of the day, this is a 964 forum and the speculations will happen to always be 964 pro

Porsche964FP

+1

SuperUser

I came from a really nice GQ 97 C4S into my 964. I would say they are both great cars and the styling is subjective. I like the look of all air cooled 911'sMy wife never liked the look of the 993, she prefers the classic lines or the modern looking 997.

Andy Roe

It's funny you mention this, as my old mechanic always use to say the same. To avoid the water cooled cars and that the 964 was the car they thought was more reliable between it and the 993.

TNR911

Honestly I could not come to a conclusion of which was better, the 964 or 993. So I sold my 997 and now have both a 964 and 993. Stating the obvious they both have significant charms and different characters. Again stating the obvious, good/great examples of both of these models will retain value over time. If anything they will appreciate. I consider myself truly lucky to enjoy the experience of both depending on mood or driving need.

wilko

great post on uk forum came up with these together shots http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t...r=asc&start=20
sums it up for me the 964 is so much more 911 ,svelte & curvacious in all the right proportions
& its inevitable the prices will hold or strengthen , time goes by & less availablity for good examples

Atgani

The 993 isn't quite the quantum leap forward over the 964 most would have you believe.
Having owned several 964 RSs and a 993RS, I can say hand on heart that I prefer the earlier car.

I've never been a big fan of the "unfinished" 993 front end, that front bumper just doesn't look right.
It was corrected with the fitment of the ClubSport front spoiler/splitter, albeit that looks a bit too over the top for the road.

The 964 looks like a 911 should, the front end is cleaner and the front bumper/grill/undertray looks more finished and cohesive.

The 964 was berated for its numerous engine oil leaks, I had three RS versions, none of them leaked a single drop of oil on my garage floor.

My 993 RS on the other hand required a complete engine tear down to rectify cylinder head gasket leaks, cylinder base gasket leaks, through bolt leaks, cam cover leaks and timing chain leaks. This was some years ago, but I'm told by several specialists that all these leaks can be as commonplace on the 993 as on the 964.

The 993 body seems to be no more corrosion resistant than the 964.

The only benefit the 993 confers over the 964 is an improvement in NVH from the rear axle, this at the expense (IMO) of a large amount of tactility.

I hated driving my 993 in the wet as in comparison to the 964 it felt remote and far less "honest" in what it telegraphed back to you.

I think prices are narrowing between the two models as people realise that the 993 isn't worth the premium over the older car. Fixing oil leaks on a 964 or 993 costs pretty much the same, ditto rectifying corrosion. As most on here realise, the 964 and it's poor reliability record have in the long term made it more affordable to a wider audience.

LastMezger

I can see it happening with certain models. 964 WB C4, Speedster, Turbo 3.6S in some cases already command more than comparable 993s. I think a clean C2 Coupe manual will be worth more than a 993 of similar spec.

993 C2S will always be a hot commodity as will 993 Turbo and Turbo S.

I'm wondering if there's a single variant of the 996 that will be worth anything at all. 996 GT2s are $70K...$250K new!

And the 997...they built even more of them! I figure in five years you'll see $15K high-mile 2005-2006 997s. Imagine that.

RW964

Just my two cents on all of this.. I have driven a few P cars 997, older ones and found that the one I like the best is the 964. Just feels planted to the road and talks back to you lets you know what is going on as it happens like this is what you need to do. The newer cars are a blast but do not have the feed back the 964 does. I have mine and will not sell it hands down because just makes me grin inside even driving straight.
And in a post I put a eye on in this thread it was said ppl look and nod and slow down and just let you know your car is right. My brother and I go to car meets and his 997 is parked next to mine his is a great looking car but ppl always comment on my car and just look at his turn back to mine and talk about mine. I was looking at misterbeverlyhills first pict of his blue car and was wondering what is the best shot to take of a car to set it off. His shot is a good one for sure.
Two P cars looking for a Turbo to add then should be done but never going to get rid of the 964 because just makes a person feel good to drive one ......

jimq

this is starting to sound like a thread straight from the 993 forum