Nski

I would like to know why is it that the velvet piece around the door frame is pot riveted? And not stick down like all the door rubbers.

screamingflat6

Norm,

Nice, the glue removal is like the best free trip you can get!!!!!!!!!!!! I remember doing mine like yesterday,it was summer I used thinners and plastic scrapers and the weather was hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but I hope you paint the car on the inside as you have gone too far just to stick a rs carpet set over what you have done.
Nice to see you having fun,I was supposed to be stripping the targa for a repaint but I am leaving for a while as I might be off loading a lot of my cars.
(only to buy one dearer one)eight cars is getting out of hand now.
I fancy a 993 turbo but I won't be selling my 964 turbo or sc.



Gaz, currently bought another 4x4 because it's going to snow(honest)

psychoideas

On the earlier cars they were held on by tiny little countersunk screws with little cup washers.

sml

I assume because it is a heavier duty seal. I cannot imagine glue holding that seal in place for 10+ years - particularly because the seal gets squashed sideways so there would be twisting/tension on the seal. I don't think the glue would hold.

The chunky door seal that runs around the complete door is just compressed into place as the door closes. During my searches, some guys didn't even bother to glue the main door seal.

But if you are replacing the Upper Velvet Door Trim, then here is a few thoughts ...

https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...door-seal.html

KNS

Nski, (or anyone else who has done it),

Do you remember how thick the sound insulation was on the floor, the back panel, etc? What types of materials were where, foam, etc? The black foam(?) underneath the floor carpet, how thick was that?

Thanks...

NineMeister

All 964's have this secondary door wind seal pop-riveted in place. Earlier 911's have the more familiar felt strip screwed on & later 993's have the wind seal incorporated into the door frame (which is also flush fit with the 993 quarter glass).

Nski

Colin, on your white 964 RS you built, did you put the original velvet wind seal back when you built back. or did you stick them down?

The question is why did they pot rivet the seal?

Lastly, can the holes be filled and the seal to be stuck down? or as you said on the 993s be screwed on?

As SML said possibly they were designed to be pot riveted to last, or was it because the glue would'nt hold it?

Nski

Today, I can across the rear fuse box, which REFUSED to open due to some absolute F**N screw, plastic face bolthead that turned but didnt unscrew. One out of 3 came out, and the rest, well the box lid is history!

IS THIS A COMMON BLOODY FAULT TOO?

Not great when your defeated by the first job unclipping, unbolting, unscrewing everything before dropping the engine!!!!

sml

They are a thick & heavy seal that gets 'crushed' & squeezed sideways by the door everytime you open & close. Add to that, the glue needs to be stuck on a glossy painted surface, add in some rain & summer heat ... so I can't imagine that that they could be glued to last more than a few months.

What are your concerns with using rivets as per the Porsche design? After a few hours of pain, my DIY job turned out fine.

The rivets are aluminium so there is little weight.
The rivets removed had no corrosion after 18 yrs.
Rivets and rivet guns are cheap.
The install process is not too difficult.

BTW .. to give you a feel about the 'heavy duty' seal .... the side that fixes to the car is actually a thin metal strip covered in rubber.

boxsey911

Don't think it is. Mine just require undoing a couple of turns each and the lid just pulls off. The screws stay in the lid - they don't have to be completely removed. Sounds like someone has messed yours up somehow!

Nski

Steve, tell me about it, and the rest!

I was so frustrated, so I spliced the lid slightly to give the screw a bit of tension to unscrew, even removed the head of the plastic screwbolt and tried turning the metal stalk orf the screw, did'nt work!

Neil, my partner cut the lid of the box just to get the bloody lid off! Had to be done at the moment, as the electric wiring needed to be unplugged.

huh!

P.s just did a quick search.......am glad am not the only looney! Who as as you say messed theirs up too!
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...box-panel.html

Nski

True! guess its a few hours of pain DIY then when we build it back

boxsey911

There's a good clue in that thread which might indicate that maybe someone overtightened them in the past. When you get a new one, all that is needed is finger tight plus a quarter of a turn. Some people see a hex bolt head and think they have to go at it with a socket until it's good and tight....that's not the case here.

Keep up the good work

Nski

Will post some pics of the hard work when I get home from work

Your very right Steve, finger tight is enough! I dont know if its because everything has'nt been off, or boltheads have rotten away. EVERYTHING seems to be bloody tight! huh! Its a no win battle most days!

I really cant wait to build her backup with all new bolts, and screws, and either new or powercoated parts. RUST and MUD I really hate!

Thats all I have to say! Thanks

P.s and YES, me and Neil have muscles

psychoideas

Don't lose the faith Norm. Some of the things that I've had to battle with on the car makes me want to give up. BUT I'LL NEVER LET IT BEAT ME!!!!