What's your take on 964 "mutts"?
06-30-2009, 01:44 PM
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What's your take on 964 "mutts"?
I think I already know the answer to thisbut I'll throw it out there anyway. In my search for a 964, I've come across numerous rebodied 70's era 911 to look like 964s and 993s, wide and narrow. I jokingly call them "mutts". 
Should I avoid them like a psycho ex-girlfriend or should I treat them like friends with benefits?
Should I avoid them like a psycho ex-girlfriend or should I treat them like friends with benefits?
06-30-2009, 02:11 PM
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Why people like to
A) bastardize a vintage car, and
B) waste a lot of money doing it
is beyond me.
Skip them.
A) bastardize a vintage car, and
B) waste a lot of money doing it
is beyond me.
Skip them.
06-30-2009, 02:20 PM
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06-30-2009, 03:16 PM
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18 years ago i turned a silver/black 1983 911sc targa into a cabriolet....previous i had searched high and low for a silver/black 911sc cab and could not find a decent one...they are a rare find as not many were made in silver.
the car turned out great and since the 83 was first year of cab i didn't feel i was "mutting" it out too much....top had a great fit and the only difference between the targa and cab is a metal plate that accepts the top pivot hardware..this plate was welded in place so basically the car was how it came from factory...guess it wasn't much of a mutt.
i agree with the input above in that most of the cars that have been updated are silly and don't make a whole lot of sense...it is fun to create something but the value of an updated car is weak and no purist would ever go near one so resale goes out the window...
just buy a real one especially in this depressed market.
the car turned out great and since the 83 was first year of cab i didn't feel i was "mutting" it out too much....top had a great fit and the only difference between the targa and cab is a metal plate that accepts the top pivot hardware..this plate was welded in place so basically the car was how it came from factory...guess it wasn't much of a mutt.
i agree with the input above in that most of the cars that have been updated are silly and don't make a whole lot of sense...it is fun to create something but the value of an updated car is weak and no purist would ever go near one so resale goes out the window...
just buy a real one especially in this depressed market.
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06-30-2009, 05:54 PM
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964 body parts seem to bolt up just fine on the early bodies. In a collision repair they could be cheaper than the original parts. Tastefully done using OEM parts, the cars look pretty good. You don't get the 3.6, better suspension, and other improvements in the 964. It would not be a deal killer, but I would not pay a premium and would check the quality of the work very carefully.
The aftermarket fiberglass body parts generally don't fit and don't hold up well - I have seen some crack the paint due to flex from wind loads at high speed. You would have a hard time pricing a fiberglass body kit car cheap enough to get me interested.
The aftermarket fiberglass body parts generally don't fit and don't hold up well - I have seen some crack the paint due to flex from wind loads at high speed. You would have a hard time pricing a fiberglass body kit car cheap enough to get me interested.
07-01-2009, 10:02 AM
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I saw a couple Strosek replicas on Craigs List, and was amused. One started life as a 79 SC. "Over $9K" of mods done. Being sold for $13K. What doesn't add up here? Reminds me of the old Vdub Bug to Speedster kits 
. There's also a yellow 964 Speedster-like car that keeps being peddled too.
. There's also a yellow 964 Speedster-like car that keeps being peddled too.
07-01-2009, 11:12 AM
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In a lot of ways I prefer the older cars for their simple, clean look without all the plastic - I love the 964 for its power, brakes, and suspension. To me the right way to do a mutt is to take a 964 and slap a duck tail, metal bumpers and fuchs on it so you get the best of both rather than the opposite.
07-01-2009, 11:29 AM
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In a lot of ways I prefer the older cars for their simple, clean look without all the plastic - I love the 964 for its power, brakes, and suspension. To me the right way to do a mutt is to take a 964 and slap a duck tail, metal bumpers and fuchs on it so you get the best of both rather than the opposite.
Interesting, although I always loved the early 911's to me the aluminum bumpers on the post 73 cars always looked like a last minute add on. The long nose cars looked better IMO and the 964 bumpers fixed what they used as a quick fix to meet US bumper regulations imposed. Although they did a better job than most other manufacturers I always thought it was a weak link in the overall design.
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964 body parts seem to bolt up just fine on the early bodies. In a collision repair they could be cheaper than the original parts. Tastefully done using OEM parts, the cars look pretty good. You don't get the 3.6, better suspension, and other improvements in the 964. It would not be a deal killer, but I would not pay a premium and would check the quality of the work very carefully.
True.
It would be more logical IMHO to do the conversion in 1990 when the 964 was cutting edge if someone happened to have a rusted or damaged 1970s 911 that needed body parts. Now with prices as they are, it makes no sense or dollars.
07-01-2009, 12:31 PM
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The torsion bar chassis is far inferior to the 964 style chassis in strength, design, handling, electronics, etc. Personally, I don't like the older cars at all (with few exceptions).
07-01-2009, 03:31 PM
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07-01-2009, 03:33 PM
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Along these lines - is there a kit to update my 964 to a 1999 996 body style? THAT would both look great and dramtically increase my resale value. Also - when stranded in the desert, I could eat the fried eggs for sustinance.
Also - is there a kit to increase the cylinder porousity? And how do I drill out the rear main seal to ensure leakage?
(OMG - I SLAY me!)
RK
Also - is there a kit to increase the cylinder porousity? And how do I drill out the rear main seal to ensure leakage?
(OMG - I SLAY me!)
RK