993PET

OK I've searched the archives and I can't find a concise answer to these questions:

What model year changes/updates happened in the 92' model year?

What model year changes/updates happened in the 93' model year?

What model year changes/updates happened in the 94' model year?

Do the 93' and 94' cars have less maintenance problems than the 92' cars, remember I'm looking for a lower mileage garage queen.

Thanks,

JF

Geoffrey

93/94 went to R134a A/C

ilko

Not all. Then again, mine's a 93 with a 718 option.

Oh yeah, and 92+ have the aero mirrors

RicardoD

JF,

You definitely should buy Adrian's book:

Porsche 911 Enthusiast's Companion: Carrera 2, Carrera 4, and Turbo 1989-1994 (Paperback)
by Adrian Streather (Author)

It charts all the changes and was an invaluable guide for me when I purchased my 964 last year.

TT-911

No they don't , as of MY92 all the changes where made which are important if you want a 'garage queen collector type car'.

MY93 changes :

- Shell ful synthetic oil TMO 5W-40
- Brake fluid DOT4 type 200
- R134 a for A/C

I think that's it.

Oh , maybe this link is interesting for you :
http://www.porsche964.co.uk/history/964bio.htm

porschapete91

By the 92 model the heads and cylinders has been redesigned the plastic Induction manifold had been fitted the back brakes were updated to 4 spoters,air bags were fitted they also changed to the more reliable LUK duel mass fly wheel and the on board computer was fitted some changes happened in november 90 for the 91 year and then again in november 91 for the 92 year and I think they were complete by june the 92 year I can not find my notes on the vin no's .

Stuttgart951

+1

Great resource regardless and it lists every change year by year.

DrJupeman

+1, this question begs for it.

Streetfighter

Just my two cents, but garage queen does not equate to a great car. These cars need to be driven.

993PET

OK good advice, I ordered Adrian's book from Amazon, to aid with my 964 search. With regard to the term "Garage Queen", I agree with Streetfighter "These cars should be driven"! So I'm amending my search to an exercised and pampered "Garage Queen" . BTW I did look at a 93' this weekend that supposedly needed nothing and had a perfect PPI for the present owner from last year. It turned out that the car will need a clutch and shocks in the near future per the PPI . Also tires very soon and various cosmetic items. So the search continues for a car that I don't have to dump $5k+ into for non scheduled maintenance in the first year of ownership, if that's a "Garage Queen" then so be it. I'd rather pay the premium going in for the right car. I've owned my fair share of money pit Porsche's over years and don't intend to travel that road again.

It's interesting how nice well cared for 964's don't grow on trees these days, in 96' I owned a 93' Triple Black C2 Cab, bought it with 13k miles from the original owner in perfect condition. Sold it 2 years later with 20k miles and had to very patient to get a reasonable price for the car. No one was interested in the 964 at the time, it was just yesterday's 911, everybody including myself was hot for the 993. Well I guess times have changed and some of us have seen the light!

TT-911

You dismissed a perfect car for clutch and shocks ?
I wouldn't. I hope you won't regret this decision.

On the Dutch Porsche forum there is a guy who had a ppi done before he bought his car and the clutch was supposed to be needing replacement within 10.000km's or so. He has 7 times more km's in the mean time and still the same clutch.

If you say you are looking for a garage queen I believe you would hope to find original paint, accident free, etc. That was what I was looking for.
I found a car like that last year with 40K miles (65K km's) , original clutch and shocks. I suppose these shocks are not worth much anymore but I couldn't car less. My car is the ultimate garage queen, pampered all its live. Looks and feels brand new. The engine looks like it just left the factory, also underneath. Dry as a bone and clean.

I am convinced many 964's and 993's are in need of new shocks and still drive daily without the owner realizing it. Only after having new ones they realize how much better the ride is.

I am happy there are garage queens , if not there wouldn't be any perfect 964's around for future generations to admire and buy.
It is such a misconception that a garage queen can not be a great car.
The market thinks differently !
I own a 964 (coupe) garage queen (40k miles) and a 964 (targa) drivers car (150k miles) and nobody would argue that my coupe is MUCH better in every way possible. And that is not saying anything bad of the targa , it is on of the best drivers cars around but compare it to a true well taken care of garage queen and there is no comparison.

993PET

The car was far from perfect and the price didn't reflect this. Yes per my original post, I'm looking for a lower mileage 92'-94' full history and original paint.

JF

TT-911

Ok, that kind of car I know all too well.
I went to see many "perfect" cars and mostly they where not.


I searched over 2 years before I found mine. Be patient and don't give up and you will find "your car".

993PET

Thanks Denis

JJJMCD

The two most obvious visual differences for a '92-94 964 will be the aero mirrors (rather than flag mirrors) and the 16 inch "Design 92" five spoke wheels (rather than the 16 inch "Design 90" wheels). As someone else noted, '92-'94 manual transmission 964s will have the trip computer in the tachometer (all tiptronics have the trip computer, even pre-'92 models).

I think that your working theory of "'92 and up = more reliable" is fundamentally flawed. Since the newest 964 is now 14 years old, any one you buy is going to need some work and how dependable a given car will be is going to be more a function of mileage and how well it was maintained, rather than its model year. A lot of the "early 964 faults" -- e.g., leaky heads, failing Freudenberg DMF, distributor issues -- have already been fixed in the cars that you're going to be looking at.

More generally, if your requirement is minimal maintenance expenses, you really should be looking into buying a nearly-new 997 or 987, not a 964 (or any older car for that matter).

Best of luck.